Though we weren't always this way, back when we did the job thing, house thing, car payment and credit card thing...today we live cash only in our motorhome life.
So what does that have to do with college being worth the money? A lot, actually. With our degrees and decent jobs, we felt the economy collapsing before leaving our conventional lives behind in 2009. Food, utilities, insurance and gasoline costs kept going up and up, while our salaries remained quite steady. We knew something was dreadfully wrong, felt the middle class getting squeezed out - and knew the time to run was now, while we still could.
From that moment forward, we committed to living cash only. No debt. Owe no one nothing. Pay for only what we could afford. This is our belief system - so how can I tell my daughter in good conscience to start her life with a heavy debt load, and no guarantee of it doing anything for her? I wouldn't even tell her to buy a house right now, and that could potentially be an investment if the US doesn't completely disintegrate economically...though doubtful. But to tell her "just go get that degree, make us proud and...then what? Come move back in with us once you graduate?"
If I were to ever owe anyone again, it would be for something of value - something I know what I can expect getting from the "debt." A degree doesn't guarantee financial security anymore. Of course, some pursue a degree to follow their passions - but many pursue degrees for perceived financial security. In our opinion, if you live more simply and buy only what you can afford - what you need, not want - then you can be "secure" even without a college degree.
We think of "wealth" as what is left over after everything is paid off. If you don't own your home, you aren't actually secure...it could be lost if catastrophe hits you, like losing a job. Security to us is knowing everything is ours and that we have bills totaling only hundreds per month, that we pay without sweating about it.
What College Fields Are Still Worth The Heavy Student Loans, In Your Opinion?
Supermom,
Thanks for your comments...
The needing a plan a, b and c is such great advice. My daughter graduated high school early and is following her "plan a" by going to community college/avoiding debt in the Arts to test the waters. She is much happier and more calm than I was, going off to college without a clue. I am so happy to see her focused, excited and passionate about pursuing her dreams vs her wallet. What a Supermom you are...your children (all 7!) sound so healthy, focused and grounded. Was reading recently about young adults today starting to recognize "i don't need a car payment" and "I don't need a mortgage" etc...Maybe there is hope...and that kids have seen a generation of stressed parents, drowning in debt and still unable to make ends meet (often unhappy in their jobs). I wish my daughter success, but also try to show her if you live simply, you can follow your passions without the stress of earning a big paycheck.
I have 7 kids. My 4th child (daughter) is in college studying environmental engineering. She knew she wanted to do this since the 9th grade. The salary seems worth it, if she can get a job in her field. She started internships freshman year because she met so many graduates that couldn't find work due to inexperience. Money is not the reason why wants this career. Her ultimate goal is to build wells and other projects in third world countries as well as ministering the Gospel. The issue is the college expenses are astronomical. I am going to do everything I can to make sure she can achieve it. My oldest son is studying mechanical engineering, but he's in the Navy so they pay for his studies. They both make money in other ways. My oldest already purchased his first rental property. My daughter is a nanny for special needs children. In 2011 she cared for an autistic boy, like her brother. This year she cares for a little boy that has Down syndrome. She has the patience of a saint. She also makes money as a musician (plays several instruments and sings), dancer (took salsa and bollywood classes), and artist (draws and paints). All of my children know you better have a plan a, plan b and a c!
Great article! Thumbs up.
Unless you want to teach at University level there's no reason for a Phd. As for 4 year degrees, they don't guarantee a food living anymore so I tend to agree with you.
OH, yeah, I think the community college is a totally great option. It's much less expensive and has teachers that are just as good. I teach a few classes at the University and the community college, and they teach about the same thing in my English classes. I think the community college atmosphere is nice, too.
Yes, it definitely comes down to the individual. You've sparked a great discussion!
Thanks for your great comments, VictoriaLynn.
I think it comes down to the individual and what field they are going into. I got a BA in a social work "type" field and also had no trouble finding jobs after college (back in the 90s). On the other hand the economic downturn has seemed to certainly hurt job opportunities in many fields.
During the second presidential debate (town hall forum) this point was brought up by a college student...lack of jobs after graduation, coupled with soaring education costs. Looking up tuition for my daughter at the university I attended, the costs have increased tremendously - yet in the short amount of time, it doesn't appear salaries have kept up the pace.
I would like my daughter to have the college experience, but if she is going to it seems economically wise to do the first two years at community college, where we can pay cash for tuition with no debt. Then move on to a university for the final two years, if she is certain she really wants it and it is worth the investment. Even in photography, there are fantastic art universities to further her career and training - the trick will be if the debt is worth what you "get" out of it.
For some careers, I agree, college is absolutely necessary...
I didn't have a lot of student loans, because I saved money through working in high school and college, got a few scholarships and pell grants, then worked part-time throughout college. I got my master's years after I started working when I had saved up some money and got a graduate assistantship to help pay for living expenses.
If your daughter is interested in photography, cutting hair, etc . .. and has no desire for college, more power to her. She should go with what she enjoys doing and not spend the money on college. If someone wants to be a teacher, lawyer, engineer, etc...on the other hand, they should go to college. I have degrees in English, Spanish, and social work. I have been able to always get jobs in those fields--full time as well as part-time jobs. And they will always pay much more than $10 per hour. And I wouldn't trade the college experiences and growth for anything. Still, it's what the individual wants. If college or a certain career is what is desired, it's definitely worth it. Interesting article. Something for everyone to think about.
Thanks for your comment...couldn't agree more with all of your points!
Great article - Most who get a college degree over the age of 25 find it difficult to compete in a market place where ageism is so much part of the landscape - AND yes most jobs are low paying - breaking up unions helped to lower wages - shipping jobs overseas or hiring outside country boundaries is driving wages down world wide.
The question of if its worth it will depend on the person. For my wife it is she is working on her Phd in Bio Chem where for me its not. It also depends on your drive for school. My wife loves going to school where i rather have teeth pulled, good thing shes working on the phd.
Sheri, Brenda and Tiggered,
Please excuse the bulk reply...just wanted to thank all of you so much for your wonderful comments. The comments being posted, like yours, are doing nothing but enhancing and making the article so much better...so the Editor's Choice is for all of us chatting in the comments!! Brenda...I look forward to your article...will love to link to it when it is complete.
Thanks again!