College Not Worth It Anymore

by frugalrvers

With the exception of a select few, it seems to me that college is not worth it anymore. My teenage daughter is getting some unconventional advice from me on economic survival.

In a week, I am going to be 44 years old. My husband and I, by choice, are living in an rv fulltime, a decision that had nothing to do with retirement, savings or a hint of financial security. But in many ways we feel wealthier than we did before disconnecting from conventional life.

I have a Bachelor's degree, my husband has a PhD - and we both, even though from a different era, talk about how we wish we had just learned a trade at community college and called it a day. We aren't using these degrees, nor did we use them much before.

Today's kids are still being told to "do the right thing" and head to college. I feel it is more due to the habits of the parents, not wanting to stray from "societal norms" given the stigma of not having a degree. But are parents pushing kids for that degree making a mistake? We think so...

Why College Is Not Worth It - Grads Getting Low Skill Jobs And Little Pay

An August 23, 2012 article on Market Watch of the Wall Street Journal proclaimed college graduates today are trading the cap and gown for a broom. They are finding few jobs and when they do, they offer low pay and often aren't even in their field. To make it worse, the pay is often an unlivable wage - perfect for financial catastrophe when hit with the ridiculous student loans acquired from getting a college education these days.

The article is brief, and you can quickly VIEW IT HERE.

So for many students, after four years, what awaits them is a whole heap of debt and a job they could have often got without a diploma - at least a four year one.

Is Going To College Worth It, Mom? What I Tell My Teenage Daughter

When my daughter asks if going to college is worth it anymore, I actually say "yes!" Where I differ from other parents is that my strategy and way of thinking are completely different than what her friend's parents are telling her girlfriends.

Let me start by saying that if my daughter absolutely had 100% desire to be a veterinarian, lawyer, psychiatrist or any tight niche requiring a decade of further education, this would be a different discussion - there is no way around that but by way of college. But the average high school graduate just wants to go to school, get a good job and start on his/her adult life. This is the population that is going under the water, as we parents stand on the beach proclaiming "swim farther, swim farther!"

For me, I throw my daughter a life preserver full of tips to ensure she doesn't sink:

  1. Even if you think you want a Bachelor's degree, you start at community college where we can pay cash - no debt for two years. This gives you two more years to explore careers, options and interests worry free. How many seniors in high school really have a clue what they want to do with their lives when their biggest decisions to date have been "which is the best smartphone?"
  2. Choose concentrations that would enable you to be self-employed in the future. Learn a trade, get a certificate or Associate's degree (or get a few) in things you like to do. The only real way to make money in this awful economy, in my opinion, is to work for yourself in the future.
  3. Follow your passions and make money doing a lot of things at once, to live a happy life. My daughter is an awesome photographer, artist, musician and even loves cutting our hair (no training yet does a fantastic job). I tell her to envision a life of making money hiring herself as a wedding photographer, cutting hair on the side and making money like my husband and I do by playing gigs. This adds up to be a lot of money, believe me - and it is fun and makes you feel alive. She can get short certifications, training and degrees in some of these things and have an exciting and rewarding life.
  4. Learn how to market your businesses online. Like we are doing, she can learn how to have an effective website for her various trades - even sell her art online for even more income.

In sum, I'm telling my daughter to pay the least amount in tuition for skills she is passionate about and could eventually do as a self-employed individual. No 9 to 5 of the same job everyday, that quickly erodes your spirit if you aren't passionate about your career. Doing many things that you love to do can generate a substantial income over the new grads who are making $10/hour, 40 hours per week - while trying to pay off a fortune in student loan debt.

The Future Used To Look Bright With College Diploma In Hand

Graduates With Diplomas

Is College Worth The Money?

Though we weren't always this way, back when we did the job thing, house thing, car payment and credit card thing...today we live cash only in our motorhome life.

So what does that have to do with college being worth the money? A lot, actually. With our degrees and decent jobs, we felt the economy collapsing before leaving our conventional lives behind in 2009. Food, utilities, insurance and gasoline costs kept going up and up, while our salaries remained quite steady. We knew something was dreadfully wrong, felt the middle class getting squeezed out - and knew the time to run was now, while we still could.

From that moment forward, we committed to living cash only. No debt. Owe no one nothing. Pay for only what we could afford. This is our belief system - so how can I tell my daughter in good conscience to start her life with a heavy debt load, and no guarantee of it doing anything for her? I wouldn't even tell her to buy a house right now, and that could potentially be an investment if the US doesn't completely disintegrate economically...though doubtful. But to tell her "just go get that degree, make us proud and...then what? Come move back in with us once you graduate?"

If I were to ever owe anyone again, it would be for something of value - something I know what I can expect getting from the "debt." A degree doesn't guarantee financial security anymore. Of course, some pursue a degree to follow their passions - but many pursue degrees for perceived financial security. In our opinion, if you live more simply and buy only what you can afford - what you need, not want - then you can be "secure" even without a college degree.

We think of "wealth" as what is left over after everything is paid off. If you don't own your home, you aren't actually secure...it could be lost if catastrophe hits you, like losing a job. Security to us is knowing everything is ours and that we have bills totaling only hundreds per month, that we pay without sweating about it.

If You Have Few Expenses, You Don't Need A Big Income!!!!

We Own Everything We Have, Basic Needs Met - We Feel Secure
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Is College Really Worth It For The Average Student Today?

This Is Referring To University BACHELOR DEGREES AND HIGHER, Not Community Colleges

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No, College Is Not Worth It
Catana on 02/19/2013

A degree is no longer a guarantee of a job, much less a good job. To top it off, student debt is becoming a major factor in the United States' economic shakiness.

Holistic_Health on 12/29/2012

No, I've been underpaid since the day I got my degree and lucky to have a job in this economy. I't's much more important to be debt free than to have a degree.

Dustytoes on 08/28/2012

I totally agree with you here. College tuition is astronomical. As you've said, unless the student has a definite career in mind and needs all those years to accomplish his / her goals, no, the huge payments for years afterward do not seem worth it in this unstable economy. And too many kids do not have a clue as to what they want when they begin college.

katiem2 on 08/27/2012

You did say average student right? Lets just say it's not right for most of the average students and while they are all told they must go to college it is a mistake. Trade schools should be brought back. More on this ...

JoHarrington on 08/27/2012

No, University is not worth it. I'm sitting here, writing for Wizzley, with MA BA(Hons) after my name. I've never been able to get a job where my degree counted. I'm lucky that I went when education was still free. I'd hate to be saddled with the kind of debt that young people face today.

frugalrvers on 08/27/2012

Between our shaky economy where those with degrees are losing their jobs, the high debt of student loans and lack of decent paying jobs upon graduation, we don't believe it is worth it.

Yes, College Is Still Worth It
VictoriaLynn on 10/24/2012

Definitely worth it. It opens up a lot of opportunities. Plus there's the value of the experience itself. I have had several opportunities simply because of my degrees. I always have something to fall back on.

JoHarrington on 08/27/2012

University isn't just about degrees and jobs. It's about widening your horizons. It's education! Education shouldn't mean the route to a job, but the sheer joy of learning more about your world. I wouldn't give up what I experienced there for anything. I made life-long friends and it changed the way that I thought. It educated me and that must count for something. (I have a BA (Hons) and MA.)

Is A College Education Worth It - Final Thoughts

In the end, my daughter's life is her own - and the choice is hers to make. However, it is important to me that she hear all views regarding the value of a college education, not just society's view and what her friends are doing, etc. I want her to take time and think about her future - to be aware that if she is only going to a university to follow the herd, she might be following them right off the edge of a cliff.

I don't want her pressured to pick a career at 18 years of age "for life." I don't want her getting a Bachelor's and feeling the pressure of student loans, having to move across the country to get a job in her field (if that fortunate to find one), struggle economically in a job that pays a flat salary as costs go up and pay remains the same. I want her to see there are new ways of making plenty to live a comfortable life, that don't involve old methods.

I can't tell my daughter to go into the "still seemingly secure" health field, knowing she has no interest in it, just to get a paycheck. I can't promise her if she gets her degree she will find a job in the state she wants to live in (my husband's PhD was never used once we moved to Montana in 2001...no jobs available unless we moved, which we aren't willing to do...trading happiness for a paycheck). I can't promise my daughter that even if she finds a job, she might get laid off if the economic downturn continues.

Therefore, I can't tell her to go into debt for a college education - that the "value" of a diploma is worth the cost anymore. After all, she sees us with a PhD and Bachelor's, not using them at all, and living the life of our dreams - she knows we would be lying, to tell her any different.

The Good Old Days, When Staying In School Guaranteed A Better Life

Think Again

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What College Fields Are Still Worth The Heavy Student Loans, In Your Opinion?


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frugalrvers on 01/11/2013

Supermom,
Thanks for your comments...
The needing a plan a, b and c is such great advice. My daughter graduated high school early and is following her "plan a" by going to community college/avoiding debt in the Arts to test the waters. She is much happier and more calm than I was, going off to college without a clue. I am so happy to see her focused, excited and passionate about pursuing her dreams vs her wallet. What a Supermom you are...your children (all 7!) sound so healthy, focused and grounded. Was reading recently about young adults today starting to recognize "i don't need a car payment" and "I don't need a mortgage" etc...Maybe there is hope...and that kids have seen a generation of stressed parents, drowning in debt and still unable to make ends meet (often unhappy in their jobs). I wish my daughter success, but also try to show her if you live simply, you can follow your passions without the stress of earning a big paycheck.

supermom_in_ny on 01/11/2013

I have 7 kids. My 4th child (daughter) is in college studying environmental engineering. She knew she wanted to do this since the 9th grade. The salary seems worth it, if she can get a job in her field. She started internships freshman year because she met so many graduates that couldn't find work due to inexperience. Money is not the reason why wants this career. Her ultimate goal is to build wells and other projects in third world countries as well as ministering the Gospel. The issue is the college expenses are astronomical. I am going to do everything I can to make sure she can achieve it. My oldest son is studying mechanical engineering, but he's in the Navy so they pay for his studies. They both make money in other ways. My oldest already purchased his first rental property. My daughter is a nanny for special needs children. In 2011 she cared for an autistic boy, like her brother. This year she cares for a little boy that has Down syndrome. She has the patience of a saint. She also makes money as a musician (plays several instruments and sings), dancer (took salsa and bollywood classes), and artist (draws and paints). All of my children know you better have a plan a, plan b and a c!
Great article! Thumbs up.

Natural_Skin_Care on 10/26/2012

Unless you want to teach at University level there's no reason for a Phd. As for 4 year degrees, they don't guarantee a food living anymore so I tend to agree with you.

VictoriaLynn on 10/24/2012

OH, yeah, I think the community college is a totally great option. It's much less expensive and has teachers that are just as good. I teach a few classes at the University and the community college, and they teach about the same thing in my English classes. I think the community college atmosphere is nice, too.

Yes, it definitely comes down to the individual. You've sparked a great discussion!

frugalrvers on 10/24/2012

Thanks for your great comments, VictoriaLynn.

I think it comes down to the individual and what field they are going into. I got a BA in a social work "type" field and also had no trouble finding jobs after college (back in the 90s). On the other hand the economic downturn has seemed to certainly hurt job opportunities in many fields.

During the second presidential debate (town hall forum) this point was brought up by a college student...lack of jobs after graduation, coupled with soaring education costs. Looking up tuition for my daughter at the university I attended, the costs have increased tremendously - yet in the short amount of time, it doesn't appear salaries have kept up the pace.

I would like my daughter to have the college experience, but if she is going to it seems economically wise to do the first two years at community college, where we can pay cash for tuition with no debt. Then move on to a university for the final two years, if she is certain she really wants it and it is worth the investment. Even in photography, there are fantastic art universities to further her career and training - the trick will be if the debt is worth what you "get" out of it.

For some careers, I agree, college is absolutely necessary...

VictoriaLynn on 10/24/2012

I didn't have a lot of student loans, because I saved money through working in high school and college, got a few scholarships and pell grants, then worked part-time throughout college. I got my master's years after I started working when I had saved up some money and got a graduate assistantship to help pay for living expenses.

If your daughter is interested in photography, cutting hair, etc . .. and has no desire for college, more power to her. She should go with what she enjoys doing and not spend the money on college. If someone wants to be a teacher, lawyer, engineer, etc...on the other hand, they should go to college. I have degrees in English, Spanish, and social work. I have been able to always get jobs in those fields--full time as well as part-time jobs. And they will always pay much more than $10 per hour. And I wouldn't trade the college experiences and growth for anything. Still, it's what the individual wants. If college or a certain career is what is desired, it's definitely worth it. Interesting article. Something for everyone to think about.

frugalrvers on 09/28/2012

Thanks for your comment...couldn't agree more with all of your points!

eileen on 09/28/2012

Great article - Most who get a college degree over the age of 25 find it difficult to compete in a market place where ageism is so much part of the landscape - AND yes most jobs are low paying - breaking up unions helped to lower wages - shipping jobs overseas or hiring outside country boundaries is driving wages down world wide.

terry on 09/04/2012

The question of if its worth it will depend on the person. For my wife it is she is working on her Phd in Bio Chem where for me its not. It also depends on your drive for school. My wife loves going to school where i rather have teeth pulled, good thing shes working on the phd.

frugalrvers on 08/28/2012

Sheri, Brenda and Tiggered,
Please excuse the bulk reply...just wanted to thank all of you so much for your wonderful comments. The comments being posted, like yours, are doing nothing but enhancing and making the article so much better...so the Editor's Choice is for all of us chatting in the comments!! Brenda...I look forward to your article...will love to link to it when it is complete.
Thanks again!




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