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onetimeuser
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on 04/30/2012

I've had a play around with the site, slapped up some half-hearted quick articles, and I've decided that I like it.

I've just deleted my Hubpages content, all 750 hubs, after over 15 million page views.

A lot of that content can't be used again, because it's been stolen by others (and thus will now be considered duplicate).

But once it has all deindexed I'm going to sort through all of the articles, seeing what can be saved. 

Some will be going on my own domains (where relevant enough). Anything else salvageable will be coming to Wizzley.

I would estimate 200+ old hubpages, some of which were very successful.

I'm not wasting content if it can be reused.

I'll throw it on here, I know it's good content, I will see what Wizzley can do with it :)

Jimmie
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on 04/30/2012

750 hubs? That's a huge body of work to draw from. I'm sure you'll come up with some Wizzley articles from that!

humagaia
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on 04/30/2012

Wow, what finally made you decide to close down all your hubs - seems a bit drastic to me? Personally, I would have transferred the 200+ to Wizzley, same for those for your own sites, and left the rest to do what they could do on HP - especially if they had outward links. But that's me.

HP's loss is Wizzleys gain. Look at Wizzley as though it is HP as it was to begin with, but with better usability, more pleasant Forum, nicer and more responsive staff, and all the experience needed to assist on the journey. You will likely not get the same quantity of views to begin with, but as the site matures I think it will prove a better receptacle for your offerings than HP. Just hang in there.

And yes, I for one am ready for you.


chefkeem
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Yes, because you're a good writer, Ryan.  Smile


Achim "Chef Keem" Thiemermann is the co-founder of a pretty cool new platform called...um...er...oh, yeah - Wizzley.com.
onetimeuser
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on 04/30/2012

 

humagaia: 30. Apr 2012, 10:17

Wow, what finally made you decide to close down all your hubs - seems a bit drastic to me? Personally, I would have transferred the 200+ to Wizzley, same for those for your own sites, and left the rest to do what they could do on HP - especially if they had outward links. But that's me.

HP's loss is Wizzleys gain. Look at Wizzley as though it is HP as it was to begin with, but with better usability, more pleasant Forum, nicer and more responsive staff, and all the experience needed to assist on the journey. You will likely not get the same quantity of views to begin with, but as the site matures I think it will prove a better receptacle for your offerings than HP. Just hang in there.

And yes, I for one am ready for you.

"Wow, what finally made you decide to close down all your hubs - seems a bit drastic to me? Personally, I would have transferred the 200+ to Wizzley, same for those for your own sites, and left the rest to do what they could do on HP - especially if they had outward links. But that's me"

Humagia. I once asked Hubpages (just after the subdomain announcement) to change my username. I was left with a subdomain containing my real name.

They didn't really play ball. It was my real name. I am trying to take that off of as many sites as possible.

A lot of my content became dated and going through it all would have been time consuming. I figured that the easy was to was unpublish it all and decide what was worth keeping, what required only minor edits, and what was genuinely now irrelevant or just poor quality.

I do have other income sources, I have a brand new business (99% shareholder) which owns the full global distribution rights to over 80 digital books (bought outright, completely unique). 

That's my full time venture now, they are all on Kindle, soon to be on B&N etc. Already earning me $500 a week. 

I've pretty much decided to end a reliance on Google and persue a non-Google reliant business strategy.

YouTube videos is something else that I am getting into.

I was primarily sick to death with Panda updates. I know why I was hit, it was because I wasn't maintaining my content. Perhaps a few hundred primarily evergreen pages of content will require much less work.

If I had moved 200 or so evergreen articles to Wizzley, my Hubpages account would have been left with at least 300 pieces of crap.

Deleting the crap will actually give me piece of mind, I'm cleaning up my act. Whilst I have no doubt that Google has an agenda which pretty much boils down to killing SEO to push more money to PPC, I also believe that 'best 5 laptops that I've never touched' IS webspam, and should be killed.

I had some great stuff, I had some rubbish stuff. I'd like to think that the great stuff will come here, and that the rubbish stuff will dissapear. Apart from the great stuff which has been stolen, which I can't reuse. 

I can't pretend that politics hasn't come into play here. I've spent hundreds of hours auditing my Hubpages account before, fixing broken links, adding information, fine tuning titles and tags, etc.

I didn't have the motivation to do it again. By deleting my Hubpages content I have halved my income, but money isn't everything. People quit jobs for lower paid ones because they don't like their office.

You have to remember that by investing that time into my portfolio I would also be benefiting a third party..... I'm sick to death of Hubpages, one particularly vocal employee in particular, just like most of the old school hubbers (including a fair few over here).

I don't want to get into politics, but it hasn't escaped me that they are scrambling around trying to create a new generation of successful hubbers. If they hadn't have pushed away the last generation of successful hubbers they wouldn't have needed to. I don't think that a great community is something that you can just create online, they just happen, and they were extremely lucky to have developed one.

That community still exists on facebook. 

I'm pretty certain that social engineering always fails. Wizzley actually has the nucleus of a good community already, but for goodness sake chefkeem please never start 'politics' or 'religion' sections on this forum.... it will be the end of you :)

I feel sorry for whoever my referrer was.... I've just lost them $150 to $400 a month (depending on whether I was 'up' or 'down'). Hopefully I didn't have a referrer. 

 

onetimeuser
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on 04/30/2012

Sorry for the essay, not usually my style. 

onetimeuser
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chefkeem: 30. Apr 2012, 10:51

Yes, because you're a good writer, Ryan.  Smile

Appreciated! 

I'm hoping that I can salvage a fair bit of content, time will tell. 

onetimeuser
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on 04/30/2012

Humagia, here is my goodbye hub: 

http://ryankett.hubpages.com/hub/Goodbye-Hubpages-It-Has-Been-Great


katiem2
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on 04/30/2012

Ryan, I completely understand your position and am very grateful to have you here.  Having known and followed you for a very long time I understand what an asset you will be to this community.

Plus, Wizzley is doing it right.  

We sure have learned a great many vital lessons over the past few years.  You will be much better having that negative energy gone, upward and onward for you in all your many lucrative ventures!

I know you, the original owner and creator of your content will revise it with even greater appeal and Karma will deliver the goods to you my dear friend. you certainly have put enough good out there to reap the rewards. 

Again, I'm thrilled to have you here it's always heart warming to look upon the mug of a pug  :)

 

 


onetimeuser
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on 04/30/2012

I just hope that the Wizzley team continues to keep focused on quality rather than quantity, it is a slow growth strategy which will surely pay dividends in the long term.

I suspect that they had a good ear to the ground throughout the original Panda, when so many hubbers were pointing out that there was years worth of spun and copied crap on the site. 

They effectively blamed the sales page writers for Panda in a blog post (from you know who). When you look at the five or six most successful commercial writers on Hubpages (now all gone), they must have earned them hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue.

There is an 'open' platform and a platform which fails to employ any sort of quality control until required retrospectively. 

The HP team played the blame game, a very nasty blame game with witch hunts which targeted their revenue makers and traffic winners. Talk about job suicide. 

The truth is that they were hit so hard back then because they had tonnes of crap on their site. It was their failure, not ours.

And that was fine, at least it would have been fine, if they had put their hands up and acknowledged as such. Some of the people who were victims of their rash witch hunts were the same people who had been sitting their doing their moderating for them using the hub hopping tool. 

Many hubbers had the "in it together" mentality when Panda first hit, until they realized that the other side didn't really see it like that, and it became clear that they were in it for themselves.

I can say all this now, nothing to lose. Hubbers always saw the relationship as one of mutual benefit. The hubbers wrote the content, Hubpages provided a great platform which made publishing easy and the benefit of a good degree of search engine authority. 

After Panda it became clear that Hubpages saw the writers as their service providers, their contractors. We most definitely were not. I think that is definitely arrogance. They provide a platform, and it's a great platform admittedly - an awesome bit of software, better than anything else in the industry, but we were people who chose to use their platform, not employees.

I would hope that Wizzley would consider relationships with users as one of mutual benefit, which is all that we can really ask, that's a mutual respect and one which acknowledges the great work that both sides do in building a business and community. 

I become a service provider or a contractor when somebody pays me a flat fee for my words in exchange for the rights.

 

chefkeem
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on 04/30/2012

"...for goodness sake chefkeem please never start 'politics' or 'religion' sections on this forum.... it will be the end of you :)"

No worry, Ryan. Controversy can be a good thing, but any name calling, rude language, or personal attacks have been---and always will be---squashed in the bud.


Achim "Chef Keem" Thiemermann is the co-founder of a pretty cool new platform called...um...er...oh, yeah - Wizzley.com.
chefkeem
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on 04/30/2012

"...I would hope that Wizzley would consider relationships with users as one of mutual benefit..."

This is the core principle of Wizzley's foundation.

After all, our founding partners are former (and present) content producers, who honed their craft at Squidoo and other sites.

Our guiding purpose is to help authors make more money online, and to create and maintain a friendly, supportive community.

Only then do we have a chance at growing our site into a profitable venture.

There are times when we reject 50% or more of the incoming submissions. And often enough, this is stuff that you can readily find on other platforms. But not on Wizzley, no. As you said above - we employ a "slow-growth" strategy.

Onward through the exotic zoo (pandas and what-have-you)!  


Achim "Chef Keem" Thiemermann is the co-founder of a pretty cool new platform called...um...er...oh, yeah - Wizzley.com.
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Kushal
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on 04/30/2012

Ryan, welcome to wizzley. I have followed you on HubPages for a very long time and I know what a great writer and businessman you are. Yup, you were one of the few hubbers who had some extremely interesting hubs and at the some time you were undoubtedly the MOST financially successful hubber at HubPages. I haven't checked your articles here yet, are you putting that tax haven hub here?

I have never writen articles with the intention of making a good income. It is just a hobby of mine and the lure of making some "extra money". I still clearly remember the Panda Horror Show. After few days, it was clear to me that HP is finished. It was also disgusting to see how HP handled the most succesful hubbers at that time, you, Misha, Nell. Other writing sites like Triond also went down. I then quitted writing online.

Few days ago, I decided to start writing again. And so here I am. I have already checked out HP in the meantime. They are going downhill with more vigour! It's not possible for any sane person to read the forums anymore, the staffs are rude and unresponsive. The mediocre writers of your time, who now rule HP, are obnoxious. The earning structure is not transparent anymore. HP knows they have no future with those writers and are now desperately trying to create successful hubbers. The HP Apprenticeship Program is a prime example of their desperation.

I just have one request. Do regularly drop in here and give us tips on writing, SEO etc, whether as forum posts or articles (wizzes).

Again, welcome to Wizzley.

onetimeuser
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on 04/30/2012

 

chefkeem: 30. Apr 2012, 12:07

"...I would hope that Wizzley would consider relationships with users as one of mutual benefit..."

This is the core principle of Wizzley's foundation.

After all, our founding partners are former (and present) content producers, who honed their craft at Squidoo and other sites.

Our guiding purpose is to help authors make more money online, and to create and maintain a friendly, supportive community.

Only then do we have a chance at growing our site into a profitable venture.

There are times when we reject 50% or more of the incoming submissions. And often enough, this is stuff that you can readily find on other platforms. But not on Wizzley, no. As you said above - we employ a "slow-growth" strategy.

Onward through the exotic zoo (pandas and what-have-you)!  

 

Hey, if I somehow manage to get you 30000 views a day I want stock options Wink

I wouldn't be here if I didn't like the vibe, I actually vowed never to write on a multi-author site again, but you won me over.

humagaia
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on 04/30/2012

 

ryank: 30. Apr 2012, 11:13

 

I do have other income sources, I have a brand new business (99% shareholder) which owns the full global distribution rights to over 80 digital books (bought outright, completely unique). 

That's my full time venture now, they are all on Kindle, soon to be on B&N etc. 

Ryan, it may be fortuitous for us that you have begun your venture with digital books, as I and a few others have begun to explore the possibilities of digital book production.

Perhaps when you have the time and inclination you might like to join us in our exploration over on a recent thread http://wizzley.com/forum/tips-tricks-and-suggestions/self-publishing-tips-resources/

I for one would be extremely pleased to see you there. What I have in mind may well assist you to max your profit potential (that's the plan for us all in the group) by collaboration.


onetimeuser
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on 04/30/2012

 

Kushal: 30. Apr 2012, 12:09

Ryan, welcome to wizzley. I have followed you on HubPages for a very long time and I know what a great writer and businessman you are. Yup, you were one of the few hubbers who had some extremely interesting hubs and at the some time you were undoubtedly the MOST financially successful hubber at HubPages. I haven't checked your articles here yet, are you putting that tax haven hub here?

I have never writen articles with the intention of making a good income. It is just a hobby of mine and the lure of making some "extra money". I still clearly remember the Panda Horror Show. After few days, it was clear to me that HP is finished. It was also disgusting to see how HP handled the most succesful hubbers at that time, you, Misha, Nell. Other writing sites like Triond also went down. I then quitted writing online.

Few days ago, I decided to start writing again. And so here I am. I have already checked out HP in the meantime. They are going downhill with more vigour! It's not possible for any sane person to read the forums anymore, the staffs are rude and unresponsive. The mediocre writers of your time, who now rule HP, are obnoxious. The earning structure is not transparent anymore. HP knows they have no future with those writers and are now desperately trying to create successful hubbers. The HP Apprenticeship Program is a prime example of their desperation.

I just have one request. Do regularly drop in here and give us tips on writing, SEO etc, whether as forum posts or articles (wizzes).

Again, welcome to Wizzley.

Thanks for the welcome.

It is well worth me pointing out that I was far from the most financially successful hubber on Hubpages, there were many who were much more successful. I was merely moderately successful, I was high traffic (possibly the most traffic), but traffic and income are two entirely different things

I don't name names of course, that would be deeply inappropriate! But I know of at least six who made more money, in some cases much much more.

SEO and Internet Marketing advice will be coming on my own domain ryankett.com (that's not a link Chef and is currently empty!) in due course. I won't be writing about that stuff on here, those topics tend to get saturated quickly (and become annoying and contradictory). 

SEO is a hard thing to write about these days, examples of complete Panda recovery are still far and few between and that was over a year ago now, the game changes too much..... The latest one has be gazumped, other than the obvious devaluation of exact match domains which contain buying words such as 'buy', 'best', and 'top'.

I agree with your sentiments about HP. I ensured that I didn't get into politics in my leaving hub, but that pretty much sums it up.

I actually got off very lightly with their rash policy changes, most of my hubs were complaint. But there were hubbers with thousands of hubs spread over dozens of accounts who were effectively ordered to edit hubs within two or three weeks.

The more content you had contributed the harder it was to comply, and as a result they simply deleted the content instead. That was backwards. 

That pretty much did it for me..... in terms of seeing the way that they looked at the relationship. Thousands and thousands of hours of work written off by hubbers given a two or three week period to edit thousands of hubs.

If you are paying somebody a full-time salary and asking them to do overtime for three weeks, then sure.... that happens. Hubpages is a site which when I joined was marketing itself as a place for people to make a part-time income writing.

They were not employees, that was the point. Being pretty much ordered to work 60+ hours a week for three weeks to comply with Hubpages demands crossed the boundary, it was also unnecessary..... what was the rush? 

So it got deleted instead. The loss of their big players really was that simple. They were given a choice between not sleeping for three weeks or deleting their other accounts.... no-brainer to me. Remember that these were people who knew how to make money, it was replaceable. 

Apparently we all got an email listing the edits required too. Unfortunately I never received such an email, neither did many others.

But anyway, I am banning myself from using the word Hubpages again on this site, so that's the last that I will ever say about it..... else this becomes an extension of Hubpages, which it is not.

chefkeem
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As a chef, I can certainly promise you some extraordinary chicken stock options. Currently, our IPO stands for Innards, Parsley, Onions.

Let's talk more when we get there, ok?   Laughing  


Achim "Chef Keem" Thiemermann is the co-founder of a pretty cool new platform called...um...er...oh, yeah - Wizzley.com.
onetimeuser
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humagaia: 30. Apr 2012, 12:27

 

ryank: 30. Apr 2012, 11:13

 

I do have other income sources, I have a brand new business (99% shareholder) which owns the full global distribution rights to over 80 digital books (bought outright, completely unique). 

That's my full time venture now, they are all on Kindle, soon to be on B&N etc. 

Ryan, it may be fortuitous for us that you have begun your venture with digital books, as I and a few others have begun to explore the possibilities of digital book production.

Perhaps when you have the time and inclination you might like to join us in our exploration over on a recent thread http://wizzley.com/forum/tips-tricks-and-suggestions/self-publishing-tips-resources/

I for one would be extremely pleased to see you there. What I have in mind may well assist you to max your profit potential (that's the plan for us all in the group) by collaboration.

I'll do you a different deal.

When I've worked my way through the 700+ hubpages that I have to sort through, I'll write some 'wizzes' on the subject ;)

That will take me some time though. So far I've trashed 10, got 2 saved to draft form on Wizzley (waiting for deindex), and 3 saved in draft form on one of my domains. Still got over 700 to go!

JoHarrington
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chefkeem: 30. Apr 2012, 12:30

As a chef, I can certainly promise you some extraordinary chicken stock options. Currently, our IPO stands for Innards, Parsley, Onions.

Let's talk more when we get there, ok?   Laughing  

 

Do you do that as a vegetarian option too? :p

 

Ryan, I've not been on Hubpages, but I've heard some of the horror stories.  I can only comment on your articles here.  I already sussed that you're a man after my own heart, hence already being a fan of yours.

Welcome to Wizzley properly.  Glad to have you on board. :D


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