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Jake Bugg.....

 
onetimeuser
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on 01/28/2013

Anybody head of this fella? I've just discovered him...... looks like he is getting huge, ridiculously legitimate talent....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOZFYdIeDJo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTM9rV8uKpI

A bit Dylanesque.... just came out of nowhere with 12 demos and his was signed up by a label who didn't change a thing about the demo tapes before releasing.

A big middle finger up to the Xfactor society that we live in these days! 

 

dustytoes
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on 01/29/2013

Yes, reminds me of Dylan.  I like him, but had not heard of him.


onetimeuser
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on 01/29/2013

He has come out of nowhere.

Last year a local radio producer saw him playing in front of one man and his dog, asked him to play on his show, and the resulting YouTube video from the show went semi-viral.

The radio show then drove him to London (the first time that he had been to London) to meet with a record label executive that they knew, who signed him on the spot.....

.... and now his album, which went to #1 in the UK, is made up of basically the 12 demos that he had recorded with no changes.... 

He comes from a council estate in Nottingham, none of this stage school manufactured nonsense, is refreshing. 

 

onetimeuser
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on 01/29/2013

By the way I said "Dylanesque" due to this site being American.

Dylan is the obvious comparison, but a lot of his tracks sound to me like they were heavily influenced by artists who themselves were heavily influenced by Dylan, if you know what I mean....

.... like a third generation Dylan, the grandson of Dylan if you like Laughing

Paul
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on 01/29/2013

He's good and all, but I can't help but feel that companies only seek out solo vocalists which is a massive shame.

I mean, people like Cobus (especially 2:30 onwards), NeoGeoFanatic  (he also improvs solos well, check out the Crazy Train cover), TonyDickinsonBG and anyone suitable from the multitude of singers that people seem to find would work great in a band!

It's a shame that there aren't really and "bands" that frequently chart any more and even the ones that are, aren't individually well known, per se. I feel that no matter the genre, if a band is individually "well known", it boosts their quality exponentially as they each have their own reputation to worry about and every member has a distinct personality.

onetimeuser
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on 01/29/2013

 

Paul: 01/29/2013 - 04:46 AM

He's good and all, but I can't help but feel that companies only seek out solo vocalists which is a massive shame.

I mean, people like Cobus (especially 2:30 onwards), NeoGeoFanatic  (he also improvs solos well, check out the Crazy Train cover), TonyDickinsonBG and anyone suitable from the multitude of singers that people seem to find would work great in a band!

It's a shame that there aren't really and "bands" that frequently chart any more and even the ones that are, aren't individually well known, per se. I feel that no matter the genre, if a band is individually "well known", it boosts their quality exponentially as they each have their own reputation to worry about and every member has a distinct personality.

It is very rare for a great band to just appear out of nowhere though. In the UK at least they always seem so manufactured and manipulated. 

I've lost count of the number of awesome underground bands that I've come across who get sucked into the system, paired with some well known producer, and churned out with a debut album which is devoid of soul or originality.

The thing that I really like about this dude is that he is completely raw and fresh, he just turned up with his demos and they went straight onto his album..... 100% complete creative control, to an 18 year old who was discovered a year earlier, makes for a great story.

Amy Winehouse for example was no doubt a precocious talent, but I read a really interesting account of her early career. She actually spent three years at Sylvia Young's "stage school", which basically churns out famous people and coaches kids into becoming famous.... if you get into that school, you are going to become famous for something.

She was signed by EMI in early 2002 and appeared as an unnamed vocalist on a few tracks but confidentiality agreements were signed so that people couldn't tell anybody else who she was, another record label heard some of these vocals and spent three months trying to find out who she was whilst EMI did everything in their power to keep her a secret whilst she was being "developed" (their words).

When her debut album came out in October 2003 everybody went crazy for her and she was touted as a genius etc....... by that time she had spent 18 months signed to a label who went above and beyond to keep her secret (despite a record deal being watertight).

During that time she was assigned to not one but four producers, led by Saleem Remi (who had worked  a lot with NAS and Fergie). When you look at the writing credits of her debut album it shows that Remi has a co-writing credit on five of the tracks, whilst only one of the thirteen tracks are credited only to 'Winehouse'.

It makes you wonder just how much the young Winehouse was "developed" having been plucked out of a stage school, and how much of her talent was a god given gift.

Paul
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on 01/29/2013

I agree that larger record labels will just turn it into generic garbage, but what's to say they couldn't get a signed by one lesser known, much like Mr Bugg? They only become manufactured and manipulated after they've been pushed through the system.

Maybe it's just because I prefer things like this compared to this (can't promise the language is clean on this one, I can't bear watching it all the way through).

onetimeuser
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on 01/29/2013

 

Paul: 01/29/2013 - 06:00 AM

I agree that larger record labels will just turn it into generic garbage, but what's to say they couldn't get a signed by one lesser known, much like Mr Bugg? They only become manufactured and manipulated after they've been pushed through the system.

Maybe it's just because I prefer things like this compared to this (can't promise the language is clean on this one, I can't bear watching it all the way through).

Most of the 'lesser' labels are actually subsidiaries of larger labels if you look carefully. Eminem has his own record label, 'Shady Records'. Of course he doesn't really, that record label is owned by Universal, it's just a name and logo and he takes a cut for being a face. 

The best independent that I can think of is Rough Trade..... we can thank them for The Strokes and The Libertines. They went bankrupt and disappeared for over a decade though after the big labels chased the alternative market in the late eighties....

Well it can be argued that record labels are becoming less and less necessary for a band as physical music sales fall and digital music sales rise, recording costs fall, and the best promotional methods become free/cheap. 

The money for many bands is in the gigs now. I do wonder whether - by the time physical music sales die completely - we will see a lot of bands just have 'managers' or 'agents', rather than 'record labels' (obviously a lot of unsigned artists already do, but I wonder whether we will see some bigger bands shun labels, Radiohead half did it with In Rainbows, they signed to a label for the physical release but cut the record label out of digital sales). 

You don't need a record label to sell on iTunes, or make a music video, or upload to YouTube, and you don't need a £200 an hour studio to record a passable album these days. 

A decade ago you would have needed a record label to get your CD into HMV or Virgin Megastore, hardly anybody owned a broadcast quality camcorder (you can get one for £200 now), and promotion was paid placement in NME and billboards..... 

 

Paul
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on 01/29/2013

Yeah, the money is in the gigs and personally, I feel that bands have the upper hand when it comes to them. Of course there's going to be exceptions, but for the most part, gigs with just vocalists simply aren't as good as bands - understandably so as they're essentially missing out two or three key elements.

And as you say, it's incredibly easy to get your work out there compared to a few years ago. If I had a good voice, I could easily get it publicised. But that's where the problem is. It's so easy, it's massively saturated. Luckily for Jake, he does have a unique style and even though it's not particularly something I'd listen to, I can see why people would.

onetimeuser
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on 01/29/2013

XL Recordings too actually, they are independent..... can thank them for The Prodigy, The White Stripes, and Adele. 

It says on their wikipedia that they only release an average of six albums a year.... extraordinary therefore that they have had that much success, must be geniuses. 

onetimeuser
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on 01/29/2013

 

Paul: 01/29/2013 - 06:26 AM

Yeah, the money is in the gigs and personally, I feel that bands have the upper hand when it comes to them. Of course there's going to be exceptions, but for the most part, gigs with just vocalists simply aren't as good as bands - understandably so as they're essentially missing out two or three key elements.

And as you say, it's incredibly easy to get your work out there compared to a few years ago. If I had a good voice, I could easily get it publicised. But that's where the problem is. It's so easy, it's massively saturated. Luckily for Jake, he does have a unique style and even though it's not particularly something I'd listen to, I can see why people would.

I listened to his album all the way through yesterday and my conclusion was "music for films". 

It's obvious that his music is going to be used in shitloads of adverts, movies, and documentaries..... to the degree that he could probably never release anything again and dine off of the royalties for the rest of his life.

A bit like Shane McGowan I guess..... who probably lives off of one Christmas song Laughing

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