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Guest
on 03/13/2012

With something like 100 million tablets sold and who knows how many browser capable cell phones, the folks over at that other place have instituted changes that make navigationusing those devices impossible.

 

Wizzley isn't great at mobile use either, but it's not outright broken.  I am able to use Wizzley by removing the default "m.". In the URL.

 

Tablets are selling like crazy.  I had over 30,000 page views from tablets and phones last month at my main website.  

I hope Wizzley isn't going to do anything foolish like HP just did and I further hope that W will actually work to IMPROVE the Wizzley experience for mobile users.


Tony Lawrence (pcunix)
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on 03/13/2012

I'm not an expert in mobile design, Tony, but I wanted to respond anyway and ask you to elaborate a bit. (You've seen our link at the bottom right of the screen, where you can toggle between "mobile" and "web format"?)

What kind of improvements would you like to see?


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Guest
on 03/13/2012

Nowadays, most users don't even care about a special "mobile" mode.   I don't think it should be the default at all - mobile browsers are now very capable.

I think the important thing is simply to TEST with mobile devices - IOS and Android.  There may  be things you just cannot do - IOS and page creation, for example.

Other interface changes should be tested against the major mobile devices.  Ignoring them (as HP just did) is foolish.

 

 


Tony Lawrence (pcunix)
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on 03/13/2012

Obviously, we don't ignore this, and we did extensive testing as well.

Can you elaborate on your statement from above: "Wizzley isn't great at mobile use either..."?

Aside from removing the default mode, what else is missing or 'not great'?


Achim "Chef Keem" Thiemermann is the co-founder of a pretty cool new platform called...um...er...oh, yeah - Wizzley.com.
Guest
on 03/13/2012

And by the way, it's great to actually get a response.. the silence is deafening over at HP.


Tony Lawrence (pcunix)
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on 03/13/2012

Thanks, Tony...I try. Although, I might not be the right guy to discuss this with you. Anne will be here later. She knows more about this stuff.


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Marie
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on 03/13/2012

From a reader's point of view (and that's the only point of view I really care about) Wizzley is better in web format either on a small screen phone or on a tablet - just tested it on an iPad. Having said that, the mobile version isn't bad at all - you just don't get such a nice page layout as you do with the full version. 

I would personally prefer the default setting to be web format because it looks better and therefore articles are going to be nicer to read with photos lined up next to text as they should be instead of floating above or below. ButI perhaps it could be tested to see whether it works better for Adsense having the mobile as default or the web format? Having seen results with mobile payments on my Adsense account, I can't think that the mobile version could be that bad. It's just not as good but then there are very few mobile versions of websites that are that good in my experience.

I don't want to see the Wizzley team waste any time trying to optimise the website so writers can edit their articles on a tablet - any serious writer is not just going to rely on a tablet device for doing the bulk of their work. But the point of perhaps having the web format as a default option is a good one I think.


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on 03/13/2012

 

kinworm: 13. Mar 2012, 11:06

From a reader's point of view (and that's the only point of view I really care about) Wizzley is better in web format either on a small screen phone or on a tablet - just tested it on an iPad. Having said that, the mobile version isn't bad at all - you just don't get such a nice page layout as you do with the full version. 

I would personally prefer the default setting to be web format because it looks better and therefore articles are going to be nicer to read with photos lined up next to text as they should be instead of floating above or below. ButI perhaps it could be tested to see whether it works better for Adsense having the mobile as default or the web format? Having seen results with mobile payments on my Adsense account, I can't think that the mobile version could be that bad. It's just not as good but then there are very few mobile versions of websites that are that good in my experience.

I don't want to see the Wizzley team waste any time trying to optimise the website so writers can edit their articles on a tablet - any serious writer is not just going to rely on a tablet device for doing the bulk of their work. But the point of perhaps having the web format as a default option is a good one I think.

Really? I disagree. I use my iPhone to access Wizzley pages sometimes, and I much prefer the mobile version as a reader. (But as I writer here, I like to see the full version too, so I go back and forth.) A tablet would probably be a different thing altogether since it's so much larger. But I don't like the way the normal web view makes the 2 column layout really tiny. The font is too small to read on my iPhone.

Guest
on 03/13/2012

I don't know why you think a "serious writer" wouldn't use a tablet, but that part isn't limited by Wizzley anyway - that's third party code and the people who provide it seem uninterested in the mobile market.

 

Eventually it won't matter - mobile power is increasing rapidly.  My only concern is not making cosmetic changes that break mobile as HP just did..


Tony Lawrence (pcunix)
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on 03/13/2012

I'm sorry - I don't mean to imply anything horribly negative.   If you are testing, I'm sure you are doing the best that can be done.

Mobile interfaces tend to be ugly (as noted above).   Soon enough, they'll be totally unnecessary.  For now, just not carelessly breaking stuff is great!


Tony Lawrence (pcunix)
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on 03/13/2012

And by "not great", I include the inability to create pages on iPad - NOT YOUR FAULT.

I've been out quite a bit recently, trains and waiting here and there and my iPad has been my best pal.  I can't do any writing, but again, that's neither your nor HP's fault - it's the editor software you both use.

I CAN do just about everything else - though as noted, HP just made it much, much harder..

So "not great" is relative..

 

 


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on 03/13/2012

First off let me say, I love marketing, marketing thrills me, I enjoy brainstorming about marketing.  I come with a marketing background, worked in global market, its a passion of mine.

In terms of marketing research, looking toward the future in awareness of the Giant Wizzley is becoming (as a man thinketh) I feel we should think tank such advancements.  Long term goal setting here.

I would add, increasingly the 20's to 30's tech savvy users lean toward mobile devices.  They shop from them as they, well, live from them.  They're never users in terms of cable, using the latest technology available.  They do things differently.

Those of the older set, who had cable are, by significant numbers becoming cable cutters.

My kids, 13 and 15 use small mobile devices for everything.  They shop from them, work from them access everything from them, even though they both have nice high end lap tops. They love the tablets, iPods and Droid phones they own.  They do everything from them.

It is my feeling a consideration should always be taken in regard to this set of population.  They are a huge target group accessing everything via their small electronic devices.  More notably they buy Buy BUY from them.  

Just brain storming and adding my thoughts on the topic of tablets and small devices.  While I'm tethered to my laptop for work, I do like my smaller devices when out and about or beating around the house.  I can't tell you how many times I've asked one of my daughters to look up something, they do a bit of research reading reviews and the like then show me a selection of products they find till I say yes that's it.  This all done from tablets or droids. I hand them my credit card and say buy it, they also know my paypal account and purchase things that way.  Its just easier for me, they need to learn, they are trust worthy kids and shop this way.  They are my assistants if you will.  I'm not alone. 

I can't tell you how many times I've noted our purchases are Amazon products...we buy a lot of stuff online as do my peers.

Interesting marketing perspective don't you think, where do our purchases come from and what is their shopping experience like?  Why not be the place making it the best?

 

 


Guest
on 03/13/2012

I absolutely agree.   

Consider Microsoft and Windows 8.  If you google around, you'll quickly learn that it is tablets that are driving them to this.  They know the desktop is dying - quicker in the personal space than business, but even in business the ice is getting treacherous.

I figured that if I said "people who ignore mobile are doing so at their own peril", people wouldn't get it - like the "no serious writer" comment above.  But I really do believe that - which is why I'm glad you said it :)


Tony Lawrence (pcunix)
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on 03/13/2012

pcunix, I get what you mean, it is a progressive thought process, you may be a marketing geek like me and just don't know it yet!!!

Always looking to stay with the rising tide... 


Guest
on 03/13/2012

Too many people like to pretend there is no tide..

 

:)


Tony Lawrence (pcunix)
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on 03/13/2012

We're fully aware of the mobile market, and we've considered it before we even opened Wizzley to the public. We watch our traffic--mobile is increasing-- and we stay on top of recent developments.

That said, we welcome your input, of course, but don't think we're ignoring this trend.  Smile


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on 03/13/2012

As an avid tablet user and member of the "ignore mobile at your own peril" department, I can assure you we're aware of the significance of the mobile market.

Although our team is small and our work load is huge, we've implemented a mobile friendly version that can, and should be, regarded as a start. I'm quite sure we'll continue to improve on it as we find the time and resources.

I guess what I meant to say is: The input from you and other authors here will not fall on deaf ears. Wink


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on 03/13/2012

 

nightowl: 13. Mar 2012, 13:50

 

I guess what I meant to say is: The input from you and other authors here will not fall on deaf ears. Wink

Except for one. I'm almost deaf on my left ear.


Achim "Chef Keem" Thiemermann is the co-founder of a pretty cool new platform called...um...er...oh, yeah - Wizzley.com.
Marie
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on 03/13/2012

I hope that a comment I made earlier is not being taken out of context.

Most certainly, I would not suggest that a serious writer shouldn't use a tablet. I said and probably phrased badly 'any serious writer is not just going to rely on a tablet device for doing the bulk of their work.' By this I meant that I'd be surprised if someone who relies on an income from writing as a business only uses a tablet device - in just the same way that I'd be surprised if a professional photographer only relied on one camera and a point and shoot one at that.

Mobile technology is great, I love my gadgets and I'm definitely all for moving forward when the timing is right for such a new writing platform Smile

I should learn not to venture into a serious forum debate when I'm suffering from a serious lack of sleep. Definitely, my bad!  Embarassed


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on 03/13/2012

Don't worry, Marie. You've made some very valid points.  Smile


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