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Guest
on 02/23/2013

Has anybody else from Squidoo switched horses rather than just add Wizzley? For some reason, even though I've been increasingly dissatisfied with Squidoo when I compare it to Wizzley, I hadn't thought about quitting until just a while ago. So I wrote a blog post that laid it all out for the first time. 

I'm not very competitive, and I really dislike the idea that lenses I've worked hard to create can drop completely out of sight because of Squidoo's ranking system. I also dislike having to compete against people that don't write well and are there only to sell, sell, sell. Sure, I want to make some money, but not with my elbows and knees. There's a lot of useful and interesting reading material on Squidoo, but it isn't easy to find. Oh yes, the lousy search engine is another gripe. 

The upshot is that I'm thinking about revamping my lenses and moving them over here. Thank goodness there are only six so far. I also have a dozen or more in the works, but I've been putting off finishing them. Now I know why.

WordChazer
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on 02/23/2013

I have 6 active lenses over there, having fought to get them reactivated just recently when a friend wanted to read them. I'm going to wait and see how I go over here with the rest of my work and then make a decision. I already have over 100 articles waiting publication here just as soon as they're removed from Google cache so I'm not exactly short of work right now *grin*. Do let me know how you get on though, please.


Described by one of my clients as 'a literary grammarian', writing, researching and reading are requirements for sanity, at least this side of the keyboard.
sheilamarie
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on 02/23/2013

I understand where you're coming from on this one, Catana, but my opinion is that it's never a good idea to have all your eggs in one basket. Why not just leave your published lenses where they are and just use Wizzley for your newer ones? You can write fresh articles here on some of the same topics you have on Squidoo, but with a new slant.


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Jerrico_Usher
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on 02/23/2013

all your reasons Catana is why I'm only on the fence. I have over 200 articles on Squidoo but only 4 are live- why? Because they aren't always promoted or "refreshed"- I think their format for monetization sucks. I've been trying to decide weather or not to update them all or if that would be a total waste of time. The ONLY thing that has me thinking about it is their powerful site rank/authority and they were one of the handful of companies Google didn't penalize in any way with penguin or panda... I loathe working in SQ, especially since HP and Wizzley got me spoiled on actually being able to format my work and monetization without using hard core html :) (and monetization you have no real choice but up and down it seems on SQ)...

never throw all your eggs in one basket though... Wizzley is cool, but diversification is almost required for the higher earning potentials and more security in earning potential. I'm probably just going to outsource the work of building my lenses (from my content) some day and will see what happens. The 4 that are live are doing well though, getting traffic and a few sales every month (wizzley sales are starting to be more consistent currently at 5.00 a month but it's a consistent 5.00 which is important :)


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Guest
on 02/23/2013

Sheila, my lenses are dropping steadily now that they’re past the welcome committees, and I can already see that keeping them in the “zone” is going to be an uphill fight. Since only one of them is monetized and most of the rest aren’t suitable for it, I’m wondering what the point of it is. At the rate they’re going they’ll be off the map in another couple of weeks. 

Content creation is just one of my baskets, since my main focus is on my fiction. Given that I’m always working on some fiction project, plus writing for two blogs, choosing just one good content site really works better for me since it means I’m not scattering my efforts even more than I usually do.  

Jerrico, the only reason I would stay with Squidoo is the traffic and site rank. I’m not sure all the work that has to go into staying in the zone is worth it. I don’t know where Wizzley stands right now, but I think it has the potential to be nearly as powerful. There’s so much about Wizzley that speaks to me that Squidoo really runs a poor second. The formatting is one. The ability to view people’s work by categories rather than having to scroll through a hundred or more lenses to see whether they have anything worth reading. And quality control.  

Since you have so many lenses, why not pick out the ones that would probably fare better here and just move those. Then if you want to work at updating, it won’t look so much like pushing a boulder uphill.  

If I was doing this strictly for the money, working both sites would probably be best, but most of my focus is on writing about topics that aren’t highly monetizable at best, and on good backlinks to my other writing. I'll leave the lenses for now, just in case some of them catch on somewhere, but I'm going to concentrate on writing for Wizzley. 

dustytoes
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on 02/24/2013

It's good to hear this because I don't do the Squidoo forum much and I was wondering why all my lenses were turning red.  They have to be constantly updated I see.  I think that is a waste of time, and it is not required at Wizzley, but I will not stop using Squidoo.

I've noticed lately that every LotD has been a big time sales lens, as are many of the others I see.  So I am joining the crowd and adding selling components to all my lens I have to update.  Also I use Squidoo to promote my Zazzle store as it is the single best place to get any referral money.  But when I want to write something useful, it's Wizzley I will choose.  They have spoiled me here with the ease of writing and my favorite ....  adding pictures!  It's so easy here and at Squidoo, I tear my hair out trying to get photos added, and they never end up looking as I want.


Guest
on 02/24/2013

Dustytoes, updating helps, but by itself, it won't keep lenses out of the red. Unless a topic is one that really grabs people, an informational lens will always have a hard time. I've seen comments that a few people do very well with informational lenses and have few sales lenses, but I think it would take much longer and much more work to build up a reputation (and make any money) on that basis. Squidoo is about selling. That's the philosophy behind it (Seth Godin), and that's what brings the most success. It just isn't a formula that works for me.

onetimeuser
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on 02/24/2013

The key to sustaining a respectable lens rank seems to be maintaining a decent amount of organic search traffic. "Likes" only seem to give short term boosts. Sales do seem to be a significant factor, but all of my highest ranked lenses simply get decent traffic, and all of my work in progress lenses get no or almost no traffic.

Squidoo just isn't friendly for purely informational pages or opinion pages, or how to's, because of the way that they distribute the ad pool. The only way that you are going to make money from non-sales pages is from ads, and for that reason those types of pages are better on Wizzley or Hubpages or anywhere which allows you to earn directly through your own AdSense account.

I'm enjoying writing sales pages on Squidoo but knew from the word go that every single lens that I'd create would be purely created for sales. That suits me, I love affiliate marketing, but it does explain why the vast majority of lenses are sales orientated.

There isn't a "perfect" place, because the most sensible strategy is diversification. The more content that you have, in as many different places as possible, the lower your risk when it comes to algorithm changes.  Things go up, things go down. 

dustytoes
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on 02/25/2013

 

Catana: 02/24/2013 - 09:23 AM

Dustytoes, updating helps, but by itself, it won't keep lenses out of the red. Unless a topic is one that really grabs people, an informational lens will always have a hard time. I've seen comments that a few people do very well with informational lenses and have few sales lenses, but I think it would take much longer and much more work to build up a reputation (and make any money) on that basis. Squidoo is about selling. That's the philosophy behind it (Seth Godin), and that's what brings the most success. It just isn't a formula that works for me.

Thanks for that info.  I'd hate to waste time updating for no good reason.


adragast
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on 03/01/2013

Interesting, there is a similar thread running on at Zujava  right now(people wondering about leaving Squidoo to focus on Zujava)... 

Guest
on 03/01/2013

Well, there's no one place that's perfect for everybody. Sometimes you like a site until you start seeing some of its flaws. But unless someone mentions something that might be better, you'll probably stick with it. Discussions that compare sites are a big help for everybody.

Squidoo is perfect for a lot of people, but my heart now belongs to Wizzley. I've deleted my WIPs from Squidoo, and my lowest rated lens. The rest will go as they downgrade.

vikksimmons
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on 03/04/2013

I've been over at Squidoo for a couple of years and I continue to enjoy my stay. It's always been a fun place for me to write--even now. My biggest gripe is the whole update thing. My background is to write and move on. I don't like to have to go back and review and update and tweak and twiddle. So I don't and the lenses drop. Once in a while I'll dedicate a few days to liven it up again but not often.

I came early to Wizzley and really liked the promise here, too. It's a different environment and I like it, too. I've added it to my strategy, which got waylaid early last year, and think Wizzley has a lot to offer. 

Of course, I use both to support my blogs and other writing. Can't say I'm a huge earner at either one of them but I'm in for both. 


whitemoss
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on 03/12/2013

I won't be dropping Squidoo, but I won't be making any new lenses there until things sort themselves out.

I'm going to write anything new on Wizzley for now. 

Confession- because there is no essential requirement to update on Wizzley , unlike Squidoo, I've been lazy. Some of my pages still refer to 2012, and some have products and links there are no longer there. 

I've set off on a round of Wizzley updates......


Whitemoss (sue) on Wizzley and whitemoss on Squidoo
Guest
on 03/12/2013

It makes sense to update when information goes out of date, but just to keep the numbers from dropping? That stopped making sense to me, pretty quickly. I deleted the last of my lenses yesterday, and deleted my account. My final judgment was that I was unlikely to make much money there because I'm not a salesperson. The Wizzley environment is more suitable for my kind of writing, even though I'm not likely to make much money here either, so this is where I'll be hanging out much of the time.

 

Janet21
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on 03/20/2013

I have been on Squidoo since 2007 and have no plans to leave.  It is still one of my largest sources of income.

WordChazer
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on 05/11/2013

I'll agree with that view, Catana.

I just had a snooty email telling me they'd locked one of my lenses for 'inferior content'. It was about the idiocy of followers on Twitter, so perhaps a better blog post than a lens, which is why it's currently residing on the hard drive of this machine in text form waiting that decision.

I guess Squidoo panders to this 'new is good' thing that seems to be going on these days - the attention span of a goldfish syndrome which means that nothing old is ever of value (even if it's still relevant) and that they only good thing is bleeding edge raw.

On that subject, I'm beginning to wonder whether any of the following topics would be possibilities for this site:

  • Polar bears (I guess that's a yes if I rewrite my lens into more of a serious article topic about the zoo-kept bears on the planet)
  • A round up of articles and links to brown, black and grizzly bears (that would probably suit Robin, with her bear totem)
  • A description of what makes great customer service
  • Ideal holiday reading
  • A round up of links to cat-related stories, videos, books

I know I've not earned a red cent on here so far (or one of any other color, to be honest) but on 12 lenses over there in several years, I have earned 35 cents. So not really going to weep if I pull my account and start again, although before I delete it, I'll be sure to download the content so I can rework elsewhere. I just don't have time to be fettling my lenses all the time, Unless they're travel reviews the chances are the links are pretty static and don't need changing. I'd rather concentrate on what I do best - writing - and work on my keywords and ads over here than try and sell something over there. I'm not a salesperson and never have been. I create words on a page, not items to sell and reviews of same.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?


Described by one of my clients as 'a literary grammarian', writing, researching and reading are requirements for sanity, at least this side of the keyboard.
pkmcr
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on 05/12/2013

I have been there almost 7 years and I have hundreds of pages across multiple niche accounts. I have helped the site earn tens of thousands of dollars in the time I have been there. Whilst I will not be leaving I cannot envisage wanting to create any new material there following this morning's "revelations." One of mine on a niche account was locked this morning - an about me page which had been lauded and praised and even contained the transcript of an interview I had done praising Squidoo, exhorting people to join Squidoo and create Unique and Useful content.

That event this morning has marked a turning point for me. I have deleted a lens which is so very personal, was created to honour my late Mother and Father, had received a Purple Star (back in the days when they were rarely handed out) and meant so very much to me. The content will be going elsewhere. I have also deleted a number of other very content rich pages which I value and again that content will be going elsewhere.

Enough is enough - cheats continue to prosper whilst those of us who have always played the game by the rules, have supported the site for many, many years are facing lenses being locked with no warning.

I am moving some content and building new content at places where I can build quality in from the start (my own sites) or where the founding principles of the site are focused on quality approaches (Wizzley and others).


frugalrvers
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on 05/12/2013

Wordchazer...I don't know how much detail you wanted, but here it is...very long, but tried to be thorough regarding my experiences.

2 1/2 years ago I joined Squidoo - knowing absolutely nothing about blogging, affiliate marketing, keyword research, etc. Out of the sites out there, I just decided to pick one, and Squidoo was it. Back then the greats (like Paul pkmcr) and so many others really helped me learn. I'm a problem solver so I lived and breathed the site, reading tips articles from established Squids, etc., taking notes, asking questions - I do owe that site thanks for my initial learning achievements (though it has changed now).

However, after about 10 articles in six months (I was more interested in learning initially) it took little time for me to start getting vocal about my concerns with HQ at Squidoo. Since college, out in the world, I'd had the majority of my jobs as a department head and I knew what I expected as far as respect is concerned, as a writer on the site. But it didn't come.

I started becoming more vocal over there, with their incessant UNANNOUNCED and MAJOR changes that would make me have to stop the creative process to go back and undo/change to keep up with their constantly adding chaos without warning. Basically it felt that Squids tentacles kept me constantly under the water, unable to get air and create new material.

The constant bugs and terrible response time drove me wild as well. Then they started with the filter that definitely needed more work before smashing people over the head with it and destroying their lenses. I'm amazed people over at Squidoo still say "if you get a warning, just try this, then this, then take this out and put it back in, blah, blah" - on a lens I know is quality, with purple star, I'm going to waste time on this? For the record, it was a bug that made me unable to republish my lens...because eventually, with doing nothing, it finally republished a few weeks later. Waste...of...time....

That was it for me.

Hey, from those first days I created lenses that do very well with affiliate income - two of my handful are in Tier 1 and make sales almost daily...so I'd be foolish to leave completely because those two are set to bring in about $300-400/month...which are my bills, minus rent and food, in my rv lifestyle. I get it when people say they do well and won't leave...why would you if you are making thousands? But I do think the bubble is going to burst over there in the future, so the time to write elsewhere is now.

Aside from my blogs, the only place I feel my content is "safe" is in the hands of Wizzley. They act quickly when there is a problem, they treat my content with care as if it is there own. They announce changes with first asking for feedback or explaining why something must happen. There just is no better place.

The only Squidoos I do once in awhile are Zazzle promos. I'd love to share my stories and passion on Squidoo but Squidoo hasn't earned my trust. I write there now thinking "this probably won't be here for long" due to the unraveling it seems is happening there.

And refreshing to make lensrank better? Isn't that a bit odd? What exactly does that have to do with the quality of the article? But even the old timers will tell you it works...there is a bump when you republish.

I was a newbie two years ago at Squidoo, but I was yelling out these things way back then. Now I'm seeing some of the Giant Squids migrating over here...think people are sensing a storm is coming...I'd be very nervous if all of my content was only on Squidoo right now.


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WordChazer
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on 05/12/2013

Paul, thank you. Now you mention it, I think my intro lens was locked too, but that was because they tightened up on plagiarism after Panda and I had the same intro on Squidoo and Suite. Once I changed the Squidoo one, I was in the clear.

But it's the constant having to rejig that gets me. I DON'T HAVE TIME! I write what I see (sorry, Roy Walker!). I create. I move on. Should I revisit a place I have written about, sure I will revise a page, article or post. Otherwise, no.

Thank you for telling me what you did. I fear that Squidoo is becoming a marketing affiliate for creative types who make stuff and affiliate market things, as well as a home for people who game the system. Like Suite was becoming a spinners' paradise because they weren't able to implement a right-click ban. I guess everyone has their time in the sun and everything changes. Trouble is, I don't like change.

This makes me think that I really do seriously need to investigate purchasing my own domain for the future, populated with Amazon and eBay links, where I can have all my own work in one place and not worry about someone higher up changing the rules. But for now, I'm happy to be here creating new content and also happy to sell my evergreen work for my hourly rate elsewhere.


Described by one of my clients as 'a literary grammarian', writing, researching and reading are requirements for sanity, at least this side of the keyboard.
WordChazer
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on 05/12/2013

All detail is useful, Robin, thank you Cool. I'm amazed at the amount of detail people share over here, to be honest. Too often on forums long posts get some bored troll going 'tl;dr' and ruining the whole vibe. How can you learn another point of view if you don't read other people's experiences?

And especially on a writers' forum, things will be grammatically correct and spelled properly so will be easy to read and absorb information from. I spent a lot of time yesterday just reading articles and forum posts on here, when I ought to have been doing the washing up, the cooking, the ironing... just to try and find out answers t a few things which were bugging me.

Reading someone else's experience is how I ended up coming here, because Jo was telling me how wonderful it is. It's equally why I didn't go to other sites, because others were mentioning deadlines and American-only writers and so on.

It really sounds as if I might be better redoing some of my work on Squidoo for articles here, or putting them as blog posts. Mainly because, as I mentioned in my post to Paul, I don't have time to keep fettling articles. Sure, if new content meant ad clicks, fair enough, but 35 cents in 3 years? Uh huh? I earned more on Suite in a bad month than that.

I really appreciate your input and that from Paul, and I'm sorry to hear that Squidoo is not to your tastes any more either. But it is heartening to know that it's not just me. (Because sometimes, that's how I feel, you know?)


Described by one of my clients as 'a literary grammarian', writing, researching and reading are requirements for sanity, at least this side of the keyboard.
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