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How does article rank work?

 
onetimeuser
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on 07/26/2012

I have some terribly low ranks, some on content which isn't that bad, I hope :(

Loads of my articles are at 2%, 3%, 4%..... it's grim!

E.g. 7%: http://wizzley.com/how-to-obtain-a-gun-license-in-bulgaria/

8%: http://wizzley.com/bob-marleys-sons-who-are-the-sons-of-bob-marley/

Once upon a time I put a lot of effort into researching and writing those :*(

Is it heavily reliant on likes and comments, for example? Those are getting small quantities of organic traffic, so search traffic can't be weighted too highly?

My highest ranked article is at 75%: http://wizzley.com/why-scientology-is-insane/

It is no better than anything else I've churned out, but seems to have 5 likes, is that the biggest driver? 

chefkeem
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on 07/26/2012

From our help pages:

The Wizzley page rank is calculated from several factors:

1. Likes/thumb-ups 
2. Number of visitors and comments 
3. Content and uniqueness of the article

You're churning them out so fast - maybe you didn't have enough time for promo, yet.

I can't really tell you the exact "weight" of "Likes". (I dunno myself.) But I' gonna go and give you some.  :)


Achim "Chef Keem" Thiemermann is the co-founder of a pretty cool new platform called...um...er...oh, yeah - Wizzley.com.
onetimeuser
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on 07/26/2012

 

chefkeem: 07/26/2012 - 06:35 PM

From our help pages:

The Wizzley page rank is calculated from several factors:

1. Likes/thumb-ups 
2. Number of visitors and comments 
3. Content and uniqueness of the article

You're churning them out so fast - maybe you didn't have enough time for promo, yet.

I can't really tell you the exact "weight" of "Likes". (I dunno myself.) But I' gonna go and give you some.  :)

Cheers for the reply Chef. 

Yes, definitely haven't pinged them anywhere yet.

It may seem like I have one giant mish-mash of content, but by the time I've finished most should be in groups of three or four for interlinking, keeping some of whatever traffic I get on my pages and passing juice should help me out I suppose!

That's stage two of the project. 

I also haven't got involved enough in the community (reading, commenting, and liking), that will come when I've finished this project too.... build some bridges, snatch some likes :)

I can't bemoan a lack of likes, when I'm not reading content myself, so definitely not moaning, just crying!

onetimeuser
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on 07/26/2012

 

chefkeem: 07/26/2012 - 06:35 PM

 

You're churning them out so fast - maybe you didn't have enough time for promo, yet.

"Churning them out" sounds too complimentary and suggests that I type at 300wpm, perhaps I copy and paste at 300wpm :P

chefkeem
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on 07/26/2012

Looking over some of your content...don't see any duel or poll modules. Basically, you're putting out your texts but you don't really invite much reader participation. Especially something like the scientology article should feature a big, fat duel module.

 


Achim "Chef Keem" Thiemermann is the co-founder of a pretty cool new platform called...um...er...oh, yeah - Wizzley.com.
onetimeuser
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on 07/26/2012

 

chefkeem: 07/26/2012 - 06:51 PM

Looking over some of your content...don't see any duel or poll modules. Basically, you're putting out your texts but you don't really invite much reader participation. Especially something like the scientology article should feature a big, fat duel module.

 

Cheers Chef, ironically many of them did have polls before being moved over. 

At some stage I'll be going through every page improving, updating, adding. Just getting them off of the 'other site' was my immediate priority. 

Looks like I now have an editors choice award, whoop whoop. Possibly a sympathy pick, but I'll take it anyway. 

chefkeem
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on 07/26/2012

Simon gave you that EC, deservedly so. It's a very nice article.


Achim "Chef Keem" Thiemermann is the co-founder of a pretty cool new platform called...um...er...oh, yeah - Wizzley.com.
Jerrico_Usher
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on 07/26/2012

Ryan, also keep in mind that unlike HP they actually have a useful ranking system, HP tends to give you a high score (70+) if your articles are written well and at some point got traffic, but it doesn't often dip below 70 (because when it does they disable external links do follow (make don't follow)...

I see the low numbers meaning either traffic isn't buzzing at the moment or participation is low- which makes me realize that chef is essentially saying polls and duels/participation module stimulants being there are good for the score :)

As you know also sites take time to season, they are brand new here so traffic isn't going to be high right away, that takes with it the participation/interaction, clicks, etc... so I wouldn't worry about it, I don't even look at the scores for several months.

Hey chef I was wondering if you or anyone in the staff with background knowledge in the algorithm could build "The Perfect Wizzle" that employs all the various things that affect the score. HP did this with something they called a flagship hub as an example to follow i.e. max word count, formatting, image counts, polls, etc... for a newbie to learn from... just a thought.

Jerrico


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chefkeem
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on 07/26/2012

Why don't I just give the algo? 

Here goes:

(k + 1) = maxf max
ijk
S(i; j); max
ik+1
S(i; k + 1)g
= maxfy(k); x(k + 1)g

Other than that, check out our buzzing and popular pages. That'll give you an idea about successful articles.  Smile

 


Achim "Chef Keem" Thiemermann is the co-founder of a pretty cool new platform called...um...er...oh, yeah - Wizzley.com.
JoHarrington
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on 07/26/2012

I'm not going to say for one second that any of mine are 'perfect Wizzles', because they're not.  But every one of them has been at 100% within a week of publishing. 

I currently have 184 articles.   122 of them are at 100%.   26 are in the 90s.  8 are in the 80s; and another 8 in the 70s.  12 are in the 60s; and the final 8 in the 50s.  

That includes those written this week.  It usually takes about 5 days from publishing to get to 100%, which is why I'm worrying about the lateness of my Lammas article.   I've had an Interesting Week IRL, so I haven't written it in time to hit 100% by August 1st.

I don't know if that helps with your data on this.  

I've made an effort to publicize each one, in Twitter, Stumble, FB, Linkedin and Pinterest, as they go live.   I respond to every comment.  I have tried to include interactive parts, such as polls and duels.

 


onetimeuser
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on 07/26/2012

 

chefkeem: 07/26/2012 - 08:19 PM

Why don't I just give the algo? 

Here goes:

(k + 1) = maxf max
ijk
S(i; j); max
ik+1
S(i; k + 1)g
= maxfy(k); x(k + 1)g

Other than that, check out our buzzing and popular pages. That'll give you an idea about successful articles.  Smile

LOL, you are a cut above chef, seriously.

Unfortunately that may as well be written in martian.

I'm not that bothered, I genuinely laughed out loud here!

onetimeuser
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on 07/26/2012

 

Jerrico_Usher: 07/26/2012 - 08:02 PM

Ryan, also keep in mind that unlike HP they actually have a useful ranking system, HP tends to give you a high score (70+) if your articles are written well and at some point got traffic, but it doesn't often dip below 70 (because when it does they disable external links do follow (make don't follow)...

I see the low numbers meaning either traffic isn't buzzing at the moment or participation is low- which makes me realize that chef is essentially saying polls and duels/participation module stimulants being there are good for the score :)

As you know also sites take time to season, they are brand new here so traffic isn't going to be high right away, that takes with it the participation/interaction, clicks, etc... so I wouldn't worry about it, I don't even look at the scores for several months.

Hey chef I was wondering if you or anyone in the staff with background knowledge in the algorithm could build "The Perfect Wizzle" that employs all the various things that affect the score. HP did this with something they called a flagship hub as an example to follow i.e. max word count, formatting, image counts, polls, etc... for a newbie to learn from... just a thought.

Jerrico

I'm definitely going to be taking advantage of those modules when I go back through my articles, at some stage I'll improve all of them, every single one. Cheers.

onetimeuser
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on 07/26/2012

 

JoHarrington: 07/26/2012 - 08:21 PM

I'm not going to say for one second that any of mine are 'perfect Wizzles', because they're not.  But every one of them has been at 100% within a week of publishing. 

I currently have 184 articles.   122 of them are at 100%.   26 are in the 90s.  8 are in the 80s; and another 8 in the 70s.  12 are in the 60s; and the final 8 in the 50s.  

That includes those written this week.  It usually takes about 5 days from publishing to get to 100%, which is why I'm worrying about the lateness of my Lammas article.   I've had an Interesting Week IRL, so I haven't written it in time to hit 100% by August 1st.

I don't know if that helps with your data on this.  

I've made an effort to publicize each one, in Twitter, Stumble, FB, Linkedin and Pinterest, as they go live.   I respond to every comment.  I have tried to include interactive parts, such as polls and duels.

 

That's just crazy, just fluking the occasional 100% will suit me just fine!  I do need to start sharing though, I've got a few hundred twitter followers to pull in.

JoHarrington
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on 07/26/2012

Mine tend to be 'information' Wizzles rather than 'sales' ones though, which also encourages interaction.

I'm off to bed now, but if you have any questions about how any of mine are performing, just ask.  I'm happy to provide data to collectively work out best practice. 

Though another factor is that mine are all under 7 months old.  We can only ever be talking short term performance at this moment in time.  I'm too much of a noob for anything longer!


lobobrandon
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on 07/26/2012

Hey Ryan, here's what I've got to say:

My lowest Rank: http://wizzley.com/lionel-polar-express-train-set/ (it's surely one of the best I've written) - gets organic traffic as well, but the rank is at 16% - It's got 2 comments but 0 likes. 

I wrote 3 wizzes yesterday and they've each got at least 10 google visits (most from google.com), but their rank is at 47% - reason = 0 likes from wizzlers :)

So, basically I've noticed that my best performing hubs even with a lot of traffic don't have a high rank - this is the opp of HP. Here internal likes count a lot! (much like squid blessings). But, that's just what I've noticed.


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Jerrico_Usher
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on 07/26/2012

Internal links shouldn't account for any major part of the algorithm as realistically people here don't click ads. The algo should be set up for best SEO value as well as earning capacity/potential- it wouldn't make sense to use an internal like as a heavy reason for ranking a wizzle- some people have no fans or fans that don't interact with their content so it's not a fair equation...

I think there is more to it than just how many likes a page gets... I can see grading counting towards the overall goal of the site (earning and becoming an info portal for research/learning), not based on what other authors liked... I would think the biggest thing counting would be

1. earning power, clicks, click throughs (although they could only count their own portion of pages to determine that so they'd likely use the module clicks or adsense analytics to determine it)

2. Pages potential to drive/attract traffic (backlinks, outgoing link value, ad to content ratio and seamless integration (so it doesn't look like a page full of ads), interactive potential (polls, comments, duels) 

traffic would account for a lot of the others as more traffic generally means more click potential, readers, backlinks, etc...

My article score/percentage to me is more based on click value- does the site attract and grow a base of people who comment/interact/converse and do they convert... also the other layer is is the topic trending but timeless? Is it interesting, detailed information (concise) etc...

 

 


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onetimeuser
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on 07/26/2012

Internal links don't just cater for members of the site, it keeps visitors on-site, and on your pages, a lower bounce rate DOES have SEO value, quite a lot now in fact! I suspect interlinking my pages will give me a decent boost at some stage.

Jerrico_Usher
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on 07/26/2012

definitely Ryan, I'm sure time on page figures in there too :) 

One thing I found helps keep your bounce rate low is adding videos to your articles. Put at least one near the top of the page (can't be the first thing though). People land, and will feel compelled often to first watch the video- a 3-5 minute video will do great- and ticks the time they are there, if they stay longer than say a minute I think the page SEO goes up (SE bots)... Also this is the visual web as proven by pintrest and YouTube's popularity- so having video elements on your pages can really add depth. It can also precursor a bunch of your explanations to get them ready to read with excitement...

There is a video on anything you could possibly write from recipes to welders to how to use adwords... adding 1-2 on an article (one is all you need really) helps people get into it fast and I think it also, if you pick enticing videos when product pages are concerned, can also help sell them on clicking things... an example is my Miracle berry article, I'm talking about the berry's throughout but add ads for them (amazon) including potted plants, bigger plants, the berry's and even seeds to grow them fresh)... I don't have to say go out and buy them- the idea/concept is exciting and impulse, the videos I added really put them in a state of actually tasting them (the parties shown on YouTube), and backing up all what I'm saying (found a doctors testing them video too and Dr. Oz)... in the end the experience creates emotions that create desire to check out products/ads... immersion is key to really exciting them.

Jerrico


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humagaia
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on 07/27/2012

Try this for size: http://wizzley.com/article-score-how-is-it-calculated/


lakeerieartists
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on 07/28/2012

 

chefkeem: 07/26/2012 - 08:19 PM

Why don't I just give the algo? 

Here goes:

(k + 1) = maxf max
ijk
S(i; j); max
ik+1
S(i; k + 1)g
= maxfy(k); x(k + 1)g

Other than that, check out our buzzing and popular pages. That'll give you an idea about successful articles.  Smile

 

Good one! Wink


Paula Atwell (aka lakeerieartists) is the owner of an online art gallery, Lake Erie Artists Gallery and a freelance writer
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