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chefkeem
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on 06/05/2013

Oh. Well, then, why don't you simply ignore her? (NOT legal advice; I'm no lawyer!)  Smile


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TerryMcNamee
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on 06/05/2013

I got tired of trying to deal with her. It was easier to take it down. She refused to admit that I hadn't stolen it from her.


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JoHarrington
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on 06/06/2013

 

TerryMcNamee: 06/05/2013 - 08:16 PM
The painting itself is by an unknown artist and done in the 1840s, therefore public domain. Presumably, if the photo is by an American, no copyright, but if the photo is by a Brit, there is. Without someone putting their name and location on it, there is no way to know which applies or who took the photo.

The caption on the frame says that it's a George Stubbs. It's called 'King George III's Racehorses'.  That means that it's likely to date from the 18th century.  I've tried searching it by name and image, but can't find another version on-line

TerryMcNamee: 06/05/2013 - 08:16 PM
If I went to Britain and took a photo of that painting, she could claim it was her photo, because it would look just like hers. I see this as a big problem.

If we can find out where it's displayed, then I'll go and get a photograph for you.  If she picks on you for that one, then I'll happen to her.

Unfortunately, I don't know where it is.  My biggest clue so far is Liverpool.   Stubbs was a Scouser and the artwork was donated by Rev SA Thompson-Yates, who also bequeathed funds for University College Liverpool.  Edit: Thompson-Yates definitely came from Liverpool.  Raised in the Dingle and buried in Toxeth.  Here's daddy.

If this is in Liverpool Art Gallery then no problem at all.  I'm up there quite regularly. :)

Edit:  The Reverend donated other paintings to the Walker Art Gallery in Liverpool.  The same gallery has a George Stubbs exhibition.

Edit 2  GOT IT!  The painting is more commonly known as King of Trumps.  That's the name of the white and tan horse to the right.  It was painted in 1790 by George Stubbs and it does indeed hang in the Walker Art Gallery in Liverpool. 

It might take me a month or two to get there, as I have a yampy time of it in the coming weeks, but I'll get your picture.

 


JoHarrington
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on 06/06/2013

Well, doesn't this get interesting.  She's written this on her Facebook page:

I have had to write over this photo as people think they can use it and put it on there blogs and web sites with out so much as an ask ! it was taken by me in 2006,as the painting is in storage and NOT ON PUBLIC DISPLAY! and is part of a much bigger image which has more horses in it.

While she may well have taken that photograph during the George Stubbs Exhibition 2006, at the Walker Art Gallery in Liverpool, so could every other visitor.

Plus look at the quality of the close-up of King of Trumps.  That EXACT SAME PICTURE, cropped to the same degree and showing the same detail, is on page 44 of John Fairley's 'The Racehorse in Art'.

Looks like she nicked the picture.


TerryMcNamee
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on 06/06/2013

There is a question about who painted it. Some say Stubbs, some say a follower of Stubbs, some say another artist (whose name escapes me) and I've even seen different dates for it.

If it is possible for you to get a new photo of that neat little painting for me, that would be fantastic! You would get full credit and a link to whatever site you want it linked to. Thank you!


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on 06/06/2013

I had the same issue with a photo (which was mine) but which a fellow geekend attendee claimed was his. We have agreed that they are different photos, but I do credit him when I use mine, as it is easy to be mistaken.

Terry, I hope you and Jo can work this out. Jo, I do like the idea of you 'happening to someone' but I really would not like to be on the receiving end of such a 'happening'.

 Smiley


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