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Penguin Update - Don't build any backlinks now

humagaia
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on 05/03/2012

 

Sam: 03. May 2012, 09:09

 

humagaia: 03. May 2012, 08:51

 

Lissie: 01. May 2012, 20:59

You can also blast your competitor out of the SERPS but getting him spammy backlinks.

May I ask where the evidence is for this?

Have a look here 'negative-seo-outing' 

Sorry but that is not evidence. That is speculation. Taking a rise or fall at the point in time when other G algo changes are taking place cannot be used as evidence.

My bet is that the statements of negative SEO are there to increase the links and the SEO for the site supposedly 'hit'.


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lakeerieartists
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on 05/03/2012

Good points, Humagaia!


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Sam
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on 05/03/2012

Here is the other site of the story, the guys that did it, btw, they started BEFORE Penguin was rolled out ... http://trafficplanet.com/topic/2369-case-study-negative-seo-results/

Coincidence? I think not, but if you think so, allow me to use one of your own sites for a little experiment:

Tell me the keyword you don't want to rank for anymore and I will send you thousands of spammy back links with only that keyword in its anchor text over a short period of time.

I bet that very soon you will see your traffic for that keyword (and most likely also others) drop considerably and that you find a friendly email from Google regarding your 'unnatural link profile' in your Webmaster Tool inbox ...

If negative SEO doesn't exist what do you have to lose? Just post your url and the keyword you don't want anymore to rank for here in an answer ...

 

 


lakeerieartists
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on 05/03/2012

 

Sam: 03. May 2012, 12:59

Here is the other site of the story, the guys that did it, btw, they started BEFORE Penguin was rolled out ... http://trafficplanet.com/topic/2369-case-study-negative-seo-results/

Coincidence? I think not, but if you think so, allow me to use one of your own sites for a little experiment:

Tell me the keyword you don't want to rank for anymore and I will send you thousands of spammy back links with only that keyword in its anchor text over a short period of time.

I bet that very soon you will see your traffic for that keyword (and most likely also others) drop considerably and that you find a friendly email from Google regarding your 'unnatural link profile' in your Webmaster Tool inbox ...

If negative SEO doesn't exist what do you have to lose? Just post your url and the keyword you don't want anymore to rank for here in an answer ...

 

 

However, that doesn't' mean that we need to get rid of all links from site to site.  There is a difference between what you are describing and linking from related content to related content, or what humagaia is talking about, calmly linking for moderate promotional reasons.


Paula Atwell (aka lakeerieartists) is the owner of an online art gallery, Lake Erie Artists Gallery and a freelance writer
JoHarrington
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on 05/07/2012

Hi all,

As a complete noob to this game (who's already been slapped by Google), can I just point out that this thread is really worrying me?

Mostly it's that I don't understand half of the lexicon and politics. I just know that Google gave up on the 'don't be evil' ethos and that's bitten me hard twice already.  Now I can see the storm-clouds of another swipe lining up here.

After every article, I let Twitter, Pinterest, Facebook, StumbleUpon and LinkedIn know. On a separate Twitter feed, I'm doing Humagaia's thingie, where links cycle around with sometimes days or weeks in between.

Is this still good or bad practice?  *biting lip*

 

yours

Jo

xxxxx


Simon
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on 05/07/2012

If you're creating some links here and there, you sure won't be punished by Google. However, don't do things like buying links or creating fake websites or blogs to create a heap of links (bad practice, actually a no-go Frown).

Anyways, according to my experience, link building won't get you anywhere. It's great content and some keyword research, that rocks the web. Particularly it's the content itself. Publish an article, present it on your Facebook page, tweet about it or mention it inside your blog. If the content is great, your friends, readers and followers will recommend it to their friends, and so on (good practice Smile). That's how it works. Link building, keyword stuffing, etc. was yesterday.

Digital cheers :-)

JoHarrington
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on 05/07/2012

Ok!  Paint me reassured and getting on with it. 

Thanks, Simon!


AJ
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on 05/09/2012

Juast to reassure people even further about the theory that competitors can spma-link you until Google slaps you, this was in an email newsletter I received a couple of weeks ago. I cant give a link because there's no post to link to, but this really made sense to me:

Everyone's talking about this at the moment - I wrote about it briefly once already, but it has to be mentioned again.

Real quick: In my mind there is NO doubt that a competitor can drive horrible links to your site en masse and incur on you a penalty in the search engines.

I won't lay out the full argument for you here with documentation and references (perhaps in future I will) but trust me on this... it's real.

It's real BUT...

Not in the way some people expect.

First, you have to realize that people like you and me - who follow the Unstoppable Affiliate, small hidden niche method - don't have much to worry about here.

To attract a competitor with the time or resources to bomb your site with thousands of spam links, you need to be in a market where a LOT of money is being made. Not an "elite" niche that's small and underground.

Little guys don't have enough time for their OWN link building let alone to waste it linking to someone else. It has to be REALLY worth someone's while to bomb you out of first place so they can take it. That doesn't happen overnight, or with any insignifant effort.

Second, your site has to be in a certain position to be subject to bombing. A successful negative SEO attack has to call into question the entirety of your REAL link profile; your REAL age, authority, content, and more. It has to outweigh it.

So if your site is new, doesn't have many links, not much age, authority or content, and all of a sudden you get bombed with 1000 spam links... you might be in trouble.

But think about it... if your site is like the above, who's even FINDING it, let alone attacking it? Not likely, right? Then if your site is up in the rankings nice and high where peopel can see it, after having built up real links, real authority, some age and a tonne of content... it's harder to bomb that site anyway. Someone would have to convince Google that all the existing things that they themselves had rewarded, were no longer relevant or important. It doesn't work that way.

I guess what he is saying is that none of us are big enough to need to worry and if we were big, then we would be too big to have to worry Laughing

Tolovaj
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on 05/09/2012

Good point AJ, but only one page (like one article on Wizzley) is hardly big enough. If you have competitor for the same position from another publishing site, he can bomb you with bad links (for 5 bucks you can get thousand links from auto-approve directories and no chance to delete them ever). If your artile and position are new, you are vulnerable. If you have good links for some time and they are still coming in good tempo from good neighborhood, you don't have to worry. So here I go with humagaia - promote as soon as possible to get traffic. With traffic all links look better.

Letter you received is true for sites with huge volume. Bing favor them for some time now and maybe it is time for G to learn something from his nemesis. Really, can anybody bomb BBC with bad links?

I don't worry anybody can bomb my site. With more than one hundred pages, all original content with natural (I admit, I helped here and there, but not nearly everywhere) links pointing to it, with deep links etc. Site can't be bombed, but some of my pages can be.

I actually have experienced bad SEO about six weeks ago (before Penguin) when some guy (we communicated only through Squidoo and one forum) suggested to give me two links from his blogs because I gave him some useful tips about Squidoo. His nice gesture didn't turned exactly I expected. I wrote two posts for his blogs (all new and original) and my position for my main kw dropped from 14 to 207 in just two hours.

Now posts are killed and my position is back.

I will never know for sure, but I have my theory:

- he should never post both posts at the same time

- his blogs were built only for SEO reasons (I believe he sold most of his links to different people)

- his posts were extremely SEO friendly (URL, titles, subtitles, always one and only one link with exact kw), without outgoing links to typical authoritative sites, without graphics, his posts were just about everything, no internal linking... well - just like BMR

- the entire site is built for SEO and spammed all over (this two blogs seemed o.k., when I checked them, but there were many others in very bad condition).

I hope I have learnt my lesson. Don't trust anybody too easily.

There were no financial consequences and it looks I gained my position back (and what is even better I have position number 2 for same kw with my other site). What I think is also important: my position was lost only for one kw, for other seven kw positions stayed where they were before.

To make it short: negative SEO is possible and it can have many faces:)


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