The author seems to have a strong urge to bust myths,one of which is the notion that any nation has a claim to be special. Britain did not rise from the azure main with an imperial mission, and Ireland did not arise in a glorious Celtic dreamtime with a clear sense of its role in the world. In fact, he begins with a foray through geological time showing how the island was for eons part of supercontinents that meandered through plate tectonics until it found its present location. Mallory skilfully works his narrative through the Ice Ages to lead to the introduction of humans. But the skilful weaving of the narrative leads to the question of who counts as an Irish person, and he discounts claims that the stone age visitor many millennia ago who left a trace of a transient hunting visit to the ice-locked isle could be classed as an Irishman. He finally settles on the sixth century Niall of the Nine Hostages, who anyway was half British, the son of an abducted princess got on her by an Irish king.
The book pays serious attention to the initial stages of the peopling of the land and the establishment of its fauna. This is welcome because this issue is oft-neglected. The glaciers destroyed all life on the island, both animal and fish, meaning that the early settlers came to a land which was prone to famine. The fact that Ireland was sundered from the European mainland earlier than Britain was led to a paucity of large mammalian food resources. Wild pigs came early and the Irish elk followed, but cattle are not native to Erin. Badgers were imported as a food source and migratory fish, such as salmon and eels, were able to arrive on their own.
But the peopling was a source of doubt. Palaeolithic hunters almost certainly came to Ireland on passing visits as hunters ventured north seeking meat. But they were transient. Only in the early Mesolithic period about 8000 BC did small groups make the venture from Britain to Ireland. The issue is how they crossed the Irish Sea How did they cross? Some scholars have suggested that there were several shallow crossing points in the Irish Sea,but this is unlikely as the Irish Sea is deep and even if not flooded it would have been boggy, even if it was then shallow enough. The shortest crossing is from South West Scotland to North East Ireland, but the channel between the two islands there is deepened by the Beaufort Dyke, a glacially gouged channel of significant depth. Boats would have been needed. Another possibility is that there were shallow patches and islets spreading from the Mull of Kintyre to the Irish coast that made short hops to Ireland, but this has not been proved. What seems to be a viable hypothesis is that the peopling of Ireland initially came from the Isle of Man. As sea levels rose the already populated Isle of Man lost land to the sea, creating population pressure among the Mesolithic inhabitants of the Isle. A boat trip from the Isle of Man to Ireland is short and as safe as sea travel can be, so this looks like a viable route. As an explanation of the crossing route it fits with the fact that most early inhabitation sites are in the North.


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frankbeswickAug 6, 2023
DerdriuMarrinerAug 5, 2023
Would you say that the northern and the republican Irish get their protein more from land or from sea life? In other words, would I find more land- or more sea-based protein sources if I would access northern and republican Irish recipes throughout time?
frankbeswickAug 3, 2023
DerdriuMarrinerAug 2, 2023
Is the sea world around Ireland inhabited only by non-native fishes? If so, who might have introduced them from where?
frankbeswickJul 22, 2023
DerdriuMarrinerJul 22, 2023
But my memory is that she listed among the mysteries of the light-eyed, light-skinned, slender, tall Urumchi mummies of the Tarim River Basin between India and China that they speak a language most related to the group to which Gaelic belongs even as they seem to have an ancient Iranian connection.
Would that suggest some predecessory kinship with the ancestors of the Irish or would it suggest that perhaps Tocharian was not their native language?
frankbeswickJul 21, 2023
Tarim river people's implies a large difference in time between the contacts between the people's.I think that the Trojan connection is a red herring, as Trojans were not a distinct race or culture, they were a town in the broader cultural life of Anatolia that was destroyed.. no connections with Ireland can be discerned
DerdriuMarrinerJul 21, 2023
She identifies Tarim River Basin peoples, known as the Urumchi mummies, as speaking the Tocharian language, close to no language apart the group to which Gaelic belongs.
Would you say that her associations of horses, salt, sites and textiles apply to what we know to be true of the ancient Irish?
frankbeswickJul 21, 2023
There is no memory of a giant flood in the British Isles, we had the story of Noah for that. Anyway, the story of Atlantis tells of a spectacular and unique event. However we have tales of localized flooding. There is a folk memory of flooding in Cardigan Bay which is supported by evidence from oceanography , and in Cornwalll legend speaks of the drowning of the land of Lyonesse
DerdriuMarrinerJul 20, 2023
Might there be a folk memory of such destruction in the British Isles or would such destruction be unthinkable in the context of how the waters around the British Isles behave?
Regarding Atlantis, would it be a case of one folk beginning that memory and others adding to it? Or would it be just the one memory and, if so, with what ancient country or ancient continental area?
frankbeswickJul 19, 2023
DerdriuMarrinerJul 19, 2023
Perhaps that can be equivalent to saying that green is the color of Ireland or that gray, green, orange, pink, purple, red, white and yellow respectively invoke Kahoolawe, Molokai, Lanai, Maui, Kauai, Hawaii (island not state), Niihau and Oahu.
My brother could read fast and photographically. He found, among the Family History Library books when we were genealogizing in Salt Lake City, two unusual books.
One book, by James Taylor (not the singer), gave Lake Titicaca as the true setting for Argonauts, Golden Fleece and Jason. Another book gave black and red, based on sources from the ancientest to the recentest, as the colors of Atlantis.
My brother said, without concluding or suggesting anything, that the only, strongest association he knew for those colors is Germany.
frankbeswickJul 18, 2023
DerdriuMarrinerJul 18, 2023
One source considers Hy-Brasil -- upon which the musical Brigadoon is based -- as Atlantis sinking beneath the waves after one day of visibility every 7 years.
Another source correlates Atlantis with Ireland because the former and the latter flaunt middle areas as thickest.
On this, western-pond side a tradition from Edgar Cayce and another from European-ancestored Mexicans respectively deposit Atlantis off Biimini -- where humanmade structures have been identified -- and as a place recreated as Tenochtitlan in what is now central Mexican City. The latter identify black and red as Atlantis colors.
Is the Atlantis-Hy-Brasil-Ireland suggestion still in vogue on your eastern Atlantic pond side?
Would there by any historic association, extant or extinct, between the Irish and the colors black and red?
frankbeswickJul 17, 2023
DerdriuMarrinerJul 17, 2023
Me too, I like Wizzley without this aggressive, oft incorrect spell checker. I must read my comments maintes fois before I submit and then another maintes fois to make sure of the submission!
frankbeswickJul 17, 2023
Some confusion has been caused by the spell checker, which has converted my proper English from D y k e, which refers to a trench, to d u k e.
Wizzley, when are you going to get rid of this destructive programme?
DerdriuMarrinerJul 17, 2023
Does anyone, anything anywhere furnish the when, where and why of the naming of such a problematic area? Its anti-environmentalism and its sabotaging Irish Sea and Ireland-Scotland crossings lead me to think of this as not a naming that one would want to be associated with.
Online sources mention Henry Somerset as 12th Duke of Somerset and current head of the House of Beaufort parented by the House of Plantagenet. They note his involvement, as The Listening Device rock group singer/songwriter, with Highclere -- known for "locally and sustainably sourced products" -- Rocks concert 2006. They also observe his first marriage to environmentalist Tracy Louise Ward.
Would it be possible for the current duke to try to do something about Beaufort Dyke? Would Beaufort Dyke be a possibility for an Earthshot prize?
frankbeswickJul 17, 2023
frankbeswickJul 17, 2023
blackspanielgalleryJul 17, 2023
As for the path of settlers, glaciers provide excellent bridges. Perhaps the depth of the Irish Sea was a result of glaciers. When an ice sheet is thick its weight depresses the land underneath it. That land often remains a depression after the glacier melts, as is the case with the Great Lakes in north America. Perhaps the glacier caused the depth of the Irish Sea. As the ice melted its density would have caused it to float, maintaining a bridge.
There would have been organic material below the glacier, caused by the remains of plants and animals. Glacial runoff could have swept these nutrients into the sea, attracting sea life. Sea life could have easily arrived via the Gulf Stream, which may not have been in its exact current position.
frankbeswickJul 9, 2023
DerdriuMarrinerJul 8, 2023
It's a bit surprising to me that such a measure was not thought of before King John. King William I and -- particularly if the worst turns out true regarding Brihtric Meaw -- his wife looked like they had thought invasion through takeover out most carefully.
Might there be any rumors or traditions about which Saxon names were involved in the lost royal treasury?
frankbeswickJul 7, 2023
DerdriuMarrinerJul 7, 2023
How were the Angevins/Plantagenets viewed by the Normans, and how were the Normans viewed by the Angevins/Plantagenets? And were the Saxons equally upset by both Angevins/Plantagenets and Normans or were they more upset by one than another?
Were the Angevin Plantagenets impressed that Normans -- whom they otherwise might have looked down on as bucolic and rustic -- managed to wrestle England from the Saxons?
VeronicaJul 7, 2023
Also, as Monarch, they were John 's jewels so whilst his nobles might have stolen them, John had no need to.
frankbeswickJul 7, 2023
DerdriuMarrinerJul 6, 2023
How do we know about that loss? Is the source King John or someone within his coterie? Might it not therefore not be true that it was lost but instead was taken by him and his Normans at a different place and time?
If the Saxons took the treasure, would not King John and his supporters have been immediately suspicious and lividly vindictive?
frankbeswickJul 6, 2023
frankbeswickJul 6, 2023
frankbeswickJul 6, 2023
VeronicaJul 5, 2023
that is far more likely. :)
DerdriuMarrinerJul 5, 2023
Not only was King John rude to the Irish nobility but also he was careless about the royal treasure, "lost" in his crossing the Wash.
Or would it be possible that the Normans took the treasury to the south Channel side that they loved so much and merely represented it as being lost in the Wash?
DerdriuMarrinerJul 5, 2023
Theory supporters -- of whom I'm neither an opponent or a proponent -- mention in support of that theory such examples as the Dutch in Indonesia and in Surinam.
Generally, I relate Irish ancestors to continental homelands.
Would you consider that island-homeland possibility for ancientest Irish?
frankbeswickJul 3, 2023
frankbeswickJul 3, 2023
VeronicaJul 3, 2023
VeronicaJul 3, 2023
The Normans merely wanted to own England and plunder its wealth. They were more interested in France. They did not even bother to learn English. Ireland was fairly inconsequential to the Norman Kings. King John visited Ireland and was very rude to the Irish nobility.
frankbeswickJul 3, 2023
The Normans did not need telling that Ireland was there, people knew of it for centuries before the Romans.
frankbeswickJul 3, 2023
DerdriuMarrinerJul 3, 2023
Who gets to fish in the Irish Sea? Would there be fishers specifically interested in the huge eels there? And what would one do with a really big eel?
DerdriuMarrinerJul 3, 2023
It seems to me that of the first Norman kings, Henry II spent more time in England than his predecessors. What would have been the language that he spoke when on the north side of the Channel and west side of the Irish Sea?
Wouldn't befriending and then opposing Thomas Becket and fighting the Irish have been big reasons for spending quite a bit of time in England (and Ireland)?
frankbeswickJul 1, 2023
VeronicaJun 30, 2023
Like the other Norman kings, William Rufus spent much of his time in Normandy, France. He went hunting with his noble men in England and one of them shot him with an arrow and left his body where it fell. His brother Henry took over IMMEDIATELY. William is believed to have been lured there to be murdered.
The waterway was not called English Channel at this point in time. The word "Channel " is a later French influence on our language.
DerdriuMarrinerJun 30, 2023
In a somewhat related, somewhat unrelated direction, how was it that William Rufus managed to get himself killed in New Forest, Hampshire, England even though he was ruling as William II (between father William I and brother Henry I)? Was it that he found English forests more of an untapped resource -- worth traveling back and forth over the English Channel (I wonder why the Normans didn't change it to the Norman Channel!) for --than Norman woodlands?
frankbeswickJun 30, 2023
frankbeswickJun 30, 2023
VeronicaJun 30, 2023
There are some massive eels in Irish waters.
I would doubt that Henry 1st ever tasted British eels. Norman kings hardly visited Britain. They preferred France,: William 1st died there as did Henry 1st himself. The Normans had no interest in England other than taking money out of it. King Richard the Lionheart, a descendant of the Norman kings, only spent a few months in England during a 10 year reign and did not even speak English.
DerdriuMarrinerJun 30, 2023
The last sentence in that paragraph comments that "migratory fish, such as salmon and eels, were able to arrive on their own." British Isle eels always make me think of our understanding on this, western-pond side that King Henry I died of a "surfeit of lampreys."
Might that be the cause of death generally accepted on your, western-pond side?
Also, would lampreys be the eels in Irish waters and would they have historic through contemporary appeal to the Irish (hopefully, not to the point of a "surfeit" ;-{)?
frankbeswickJun 30, 2023
frankbeswickJun 30, 2023
frankbeswickJun 30, 2023
DerdriuMarrinerJun 30, 2023
The Hawaiian archipelago is not endemic and native animal-rich because of its beginnings in lava flows. Research is quite impressive about what was there and what was a canoe animal or canoe plant thanks to the Polynesians or a fly-by or a swim-by.
Might there have been similar research about who brought all those badgers, cattle and pigs from where and when to the Emerald Isle?
VeronicaJun 30, 2023
I am delighted you like your book !