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Product:Word Ratio and General Word Count Query

 
Mike_W
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on 09/23/2012

Hi there,

Does anyone know if the word count to product ratio has risen lately? Or has it always been 100 words per product advertized?

Also, as a result of the above I was doing some trial and error on an article of mine and realized that the introduction does not seem to count towards the word count.

If this is the case, is there a reason the introduction is not considered part of the article?

Thanks,

Mike

BrendaReeves
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on 09/23/2012

Good questions. I think the ratio used to be 90 words per ad. Let's see who else chimes in on this.


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chefkeem
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on 09/23/2012

The intro DOES count toward the 400-words minimum. But really - what kind of truly useful article can you write in, let's say 300 words (if you used 60-100 words for the intro), anyway?

So, we ask for a minimum of 400 words, and with that you can place 8 ads on your page. After that, we ask for 50 more words of unique content per each additional ad.

Simply placing 8 ads on a page and then writing 8x50 words of more or less unique product descriptions is not really an article. We've allowed this type of thing in the past, but for the future we will have to be a bit more insistent on proper article creation. More on that soon.


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Mike_W
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on 09/23/2012

Thanks Chef. I'm positive the article yesterday was asking for a hundred words per ad.

 

EDIT: Sorry, 100 words per ad not 'article'

chefkeem
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on 09/23/2012

You mean "100 words per ad"? If you see this again, could you file a bug report with exact info on: which article, where, when, etc.?


Achim "Chef Keem" Thiemermann is the co-founder of a pretty cool new platform called...um...er...oh, yeah - Wizzley.com.
Mike_W
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on 09/23/2012

OK, sure will. On the plus side I couldn't think of which ads to remove so ended up delving far deeper into the subject to increase the word count. Needless to say, I never intended to write 1500 words on a blu-ray review...

chefkeem
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on 09/23/2012

Ooops...Simon just told me that they've already implemented the new minimum word count per ad. It is indeed now 100 words per ad.

Mike, you were correct, and I was uninformed. We had talked about it in our team conference but I must have misunderstood the time line. Sorry 'bout that.


Achim "Chef Keem" Thiemermann is the co-founder of a pretty cool new platform called...um...er...oh, yeah - Wizzley.com.
Janet21
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on 09/23/2012

 

chefkeem: 09/23/2012 - 05:36 PM

Ooops...Simon just told me that they've already implemented the new minimum word count per ad. It is indeed now 100 words per ad.


Is that 100 words per ad after the 400 words / 8 ad requirement?  For example, 10 ads = 600 words.

Or 100 words per ad across the board.  For example, 10 ads = 1,000 words.

Based on what I am seeing, I think it is the latter.  1,000 words for 10 ads seems a bit high in my opinion. 

chefkeem
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on 09/23/2012

Yes, Janet - it's the latter. We're trying to get a better 'ads vs. useful content' ratio to improve our authority with Google.


Achim "Chef Keem" Thiemermann is the co-founder of a pretty cool new platform called...um...er...oh, yeah - Wizzley.com.
onetimeuser
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on 09/23/2012

Hey Chef,

Just picked up on this. 

Could you clarify.... is this new rule applying to all Wizzes produced/published beyond this date, or is it being applied retrospectively to wizzes which are already published?

If the latter, then how will we be informed of pages which are non-compliant with the new policy?

Cheers in advance....

Janet21
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on 09/23/2012

 

chefkeem: 09/23/2012 - 06:56 PM

Yes, Janet - it's the latter. We're trying to get a better 'ads vs. useful content' ratio to improve our authority with Google.


Ok, that is what I thought.  That is going to be really tough with the pages I write, but I will see what I can do.   Just might not be able to do as much here unfortunately.  

Do you really think that a stricter product/content ratio will increase google authority?  I was just wondering since Squidoo does not have any product ratio requirement and my pages there are google magnets.  Is it because Squidoo has been around longer?

 

chefkeem
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on 09/23/2012

Guys, let me clarify this with Simon tomorrow. As I said before, there was a misunderstanding and therefore no proper announcement of any new rules. I promise we'll get to the bottom of this, even if I have to fly to Germany before breakfast!


Achim "Chef Keem" Thiemermann is the co-founder of a pretty cool new platform called...um...er...oh, yeah - Wizzley.com.
Jerrico_Usher
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on 09/23/2012

I really hope they don't pull a hubpages with backwards compatibility on already thriving/published articles... going forward I'm fine with.... and I think that's what they're doing as chef said "...but for the future we'll have to be more insistent on proper article creation...

Although, lately I've been towing the line in ads (because my products kinda require it (choices, styles, etc...) but I'm always far within the word count... I like the direction the site is going with this though...

Jerrico


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Digby_Adams
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on 09/23/2012

Well I'm with Janet21, I might not be writing here much any more depending on the new rules and requirements. The word change with no warning has really left me with a bad taste in my mouth. One day it was 50, the next day 80, then 100. Oh well.

onetimeuser
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on 09/23/2012

 

chefkeem: 09/23/2012 - 08:01 PM

Guys, let me clarify this with Simon tomorrow. As I said before, there was a misunderstanding and therefore no proper announcement of any new rules. I promise we'll get to the bottom of this, even if I have to fly to Germany before breakfast!

 

Let me know if you do fly to Germany tomorrow, I can get there for $40 return - I'll buy you lunch Cool 

onetimeuser
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on 09/23/2012

 

Jerrico_Usher: 09/23/2012 - 08:02 PM

I really hope they don't pull a hubpages with backwards compatibility on already thriving/published articles... going forward I'm fine with.... and I think that's what they're doing as chef said "...but for the future we'll have to be more insistent on proper article creation...

Although, lately I've been towing the line in ads (because my products kinda require it (choices, styles, etc...) but I'm always far within the word count... I like the direction the site is going with this though...

Jerrico

 

I have to agree with Jerrico on this one. 

Applying this rule retrospectively at this time of the year could frustrate/alienate a lot of people, with it being so close to the holiday season.

Introducing a rule which applies to further content and edits to existing content would be much better received, rather than enforced on all existing content with a pre-xmas deadline.

If it is deemed necessary (hypothetically you understand) for people to make wholesale edits to their content or risk seeing it unpublished, I suspect it would go down much better in January.... 

Digby_Adams
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on 09/23/2012

Or it will do well on Squidoo. They'd be thrilled with 100 words/ product. This is double what HubPages is requiring. Moving is easier than doing major rewrites. I'm going to wait until the Wizzley team lets us in on their new requirements for their Wizzles. Then I'll decide what to do, but I won't be writing any Wizzles until they clarify this.

onetimeuser
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on 09/23/2012

 

Digby_Adams: 09/23/2012 - 08:43 PM

Or it will do well on Squidoo. They'd be thrilled with 100 words/ product. This is double what HubPages is requiring. Moving is easier than doing major rewrites. I'm going to wait until the Wizzley team lets us in on their new requirements for their Wizzles. Then I'll decide what to do.

Yes it is excessive at 100 words.

If this site requires existing content to be edited to conform with the new rule, then they will likely see the majority of their sales copy lost at the one time that it makes decent moolah...

.... but I'll await Chef's reply.

It would make more sense if they just split sales pages and non-sales pages by subdomain, and introduced the new rule for the main site. 

reviews.wizzley.com + wizzley.com

If they are concerned that commercial stuff is weighing them down, they can just let Google take the subdomain... I doubt the subdomain would suffer though! 

 

chefkeem
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on 09/23/2012

Here's what happened: Simon and Hans applied the new rule to the German site and installed it automatically on Wizzley, too. That was not supposed to happen.

Please don't speculate before this is all cleared up. We've taken care of you very well so far, and we will do so in the future as well. 


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onetimeuser
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on 09/23/2012

 

chefkeem: 09/23/2012 - 09:21 PM

Here's what happened: Simon and Hans applied the new rule to the German site and installed it automatically on Wizzley, too. That was not supposed to happen.

Please don't speculate before this is all cleared up. We've taken care of you very well so far, and we will do so in the future as well. 

I dunno about that, I only signed up because you're a chef and we haven't seen any cookies yet! 

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