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What TOS Wouldn't You Agree to on an Online Writing Platform?

 
JoHarrington
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on 10/04/2012

This is largely hypothetical, though it may have consequences on another writing platform (NB I'm not talking Wizzley here).

I'm fairly sure that if Chef Keem announced tomorrow that, from now on, Wizzley will retain the copyright on, and every penny of revenue made from, our articles, we'd all flash the birdie and leave.

Such things are obvious.  But what else should we look out for in TOS on writing platforms?

I'm no lawyer.  I tend to look at what can and can't be written about and trust that the legal stuff holds nothing scary. I'm sure that I'm not the only person living that dangerously.

I also know that there are those of you who go over every clause with a fine tooth-comb and recourse to your lawyer.

What are the non obvious bad things which we should look out for?

 


katiem2
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on 10/04/2012

Good question Jo, I get cup of tea and check back....


Jerrico_Usher
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on 10/04/2012

I read an article covering that topic once, it was mainly about how apple could screw you if they wanted to- and how most sites have clauses that protect them, but if they ever wanted to they could be devious. One example is facebook. Your images can be used (all of them,, posted, in your album anywhere) for advertizing and there isn't a dam thing you can do about it. Even if you remove it from their site they can use it legally- your essentially giving up PART of your copyright where they are concerned- post and it's theirs to use and they will use it- in advertizing for the site or anything else- the tos there is pretty scary.

Why are businesses posting there? it's beyond words.

I'll try to find the article, it was pretty scary but practical, not just boasting about how sites are evil  it's come to the point of lawsuits and bs that companies literally have to do it- it's just sane business practice, will they use it? Not likely, unless you become a problem.  Another example is the patents, Microsoft patented both the two button mouse (likely why apple never had one) and the double-click  on a mouse apparatus, they could screw a bunch of people if they wanted to (companies with two button mouses for one)... it's all come down to protection from frivolous lawsuits, think about it, if you have a law you don't use but can, there are situations that comes in handy like when someone is trying to screw your company over- but for normal people using their services, they need not fear anything... that's my take (after reading the article).

Jerrico


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onetimeuser
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on 10/04/2012

There is a terms of service clause on Hubpages that states that they keep all of your forum posts.

In the same terms of service agreement it says that you are responsible for all of your content including your forum posts.

So if you write something and somebody wants to hold you to account for it, hubpages can refuse to allow you to edit or remove if they wish to, but the liability is still yours.

Here:

""Author Content": Any content, including without limitation questions, answers, forum posts, ratings, votes, and Hub comments, that Authors post on the Service other than on the Author’s Hub, and all photographs that Authors post on the Service (including on the Author’s Hub)."

"You may not remove your Author Content from the Service"

"The Author, and not HubPages, will be fully responsible for all Hub Content or Author Content that is uploaded, posted, transmitted or otherwise made available by the Author on the Service (collectively "User Content")."

So you can't remove it, and yet are responsible for it. Neither can you edit it after 5 minutes.

In other words, you write something that you regret and you will regret it until hubpages ceases to exist, if they refuse to remove it (as they have done to me, they refused to remove a forum post of mine).

Jerrico_Usher
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on 10/05/2012

I think this is the article Jo-

6 Terrifying User Agreements You've Probably Accepted

Michelle found it while stumbleupon surfing one day


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Jerrico_Usher
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on 10/05/2012

@Ryan, tha'ts probably there to assure they can use it in court if someone goes ape chit in there... they are far more likely to do so in the forum than in "hubs" although there are lots of hubs bashing the very site they write for- most of them are active writers lol. 

I just learned everything you say to Siri (the iPhone app) gets logged and recorded, stored on apple servers forever- think about that one being mentioned somewhere in the apple agreement haha whats the world coming to when product and service providers have to learn legal-foo but balance it so it's not going to cost them customers... oh yea, nobody reads those things, they tick the box to get on with their day *evil grin*


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Kangaroo_Jase
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on 10/05/2012

Problem one - people reading TOS for the services, sites, programs and devices they use.

Problem two - understanding WTF those TOS mean for those that do read them.

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