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Zujava Shutting Down

 
LindaSmith1
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on 05/01/2015

I know those on Zujava are on other sites.    Zujava is shutting down in July 2015.

 

Here is their announcement in their blog:     http://www.zujava.com/blog/2015/04/29/important-announcement-about-zujava


Linda Smith
Nelda_Hoxie
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on 05/01/2015

Thanks for the update. That doesn't surprise me. After they lost their Amazon account, it seemed very hard for them.

LindaSmith1
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on 05/01/2015

I jumped ship a couple of years ago.   He allowed some to do sales pages and slammed others, deleting their articles, all kinds of crap.  He started taking away the ability for writers to make money from their affiliate accounts.  Look what happened with Amazon.  Bill got greedy, plain and simple!!!  His greed, tactics backfired on him. 

 

I am surprised he lasted as long as he did.


Linda Smith
CountrySunshine
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on 05/01/2015

I still have a few articles on Zujava, and will have to decide where to place them.  Some can come here, but the others will probably go to my own site.

It's a shame that another content site is biting the dust!

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on 05/02/2015

 

LindaSmith1: 05/01/2015 - 03:17 PM

I jumped ship a couple of years ago.   He allowed some to do sales pages and slammed others, deleting their articles, all kinds of crap.  He started taking away the ability for writers to make money from their affiliate accounts.  Look what happened with Amazon.  Bill got greedy, plain and simple!!!  His greed, tactics backfired on him. 

 

I am surprised he lasted as long as he did.

I have had my issues with Zujava in the past, mainly I didn't like the petting zoo waiting period. 3 years ago anyway, it took forever to get a review etc...

But, I don't think it is fair to say Bill was greedy, he wasn't the only one involved. Also, Panda and Penguin has done things to sites that many times have no rhyme or reason, those who run sites do what they can, "sometimes in desperation" to bring traffic back.

I do think Zujava's communication the past 2 years could have been better than it was, looking at it as an outsider, there was a lot of guessing games going on that did not give confidence to writers.

Bill does make a great point about the Amazon-centric stuff that flooded into Zujava. There is only so much ad copy a site can take IMHO and stay in Google's good graces. No one knows exactly what percentage that is, but once the sales driven articles out pace the info type articles, things tend to go south with Google.

Think about it, Squidoo, Zujava, Hubpages "after the Squidoo merger", and even some smaller independent sites have had issues. I say: "Read what  Bill says in that post, connect the dots and learn from Zujava's mistakes. I believe to survive today at a minimum you need a higher percentage of info articles than ad-copy styles. What percentage that is who knows, is it 3 to 1, 5 to 1, or 10 to 1?

I think Zujava ran into the numbers game, like many sites do. Not enough people moderating, and too much spam to police, and then the good writers have to sit and wait for approval. It's tough.

RE: Taking away affiliate ability-

They no doubt took away affiliate account use as a way to curb the large numbers of spam that was flooding in. Why would Google send traffic to a curated  "even if well written and full of content" page, and not just send direct to the Amazon review page? Google  does not like Thin affiliate stuff period.

I know most veteran writers who create sales driven articles, do it in such a way as to add the unique content to make it MORE useful than the Amazon product page, but a lot of people are still doing the "taking notes" from the Amazon description page thing, IMHO, I think that doesn't work any longer. The tough part is trying to figure out how much uniqueness is needed.

 

LindaSmith1
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on 05/02/2015

These sites need to stop blaming Google Penguin.   

 

Funny how they blame Penquin, writers.  Look at HP, the site has so many bugs, spun and copied content it is pathetic.  They have accounts that have not been touched in years.  Tons of hubs on forbidden topics according to Adsense rules and HP rules.  Articles so poorly written in English it is pathetic.  

They have so many forum threads started, then HP deletes all of the posts, but leaves an empty page sit.

Writers are leaving HP in droves right now.  Funny, how we moved content from these sites to our own sites only to see our traffic soar.

 

Bottom line:  Google does not like content farms and have been going after them for over 5 years now.  

 

 

 


Linda Smith
sockii
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on 05/02/2015

The lack of communication between Bill and the rest of us who were creating content there was the big issue for me. I wouldn't accuse him of being "greedy" beyond not making it clear that the main programmer left 2 years ago, and that's why things started breaking and never being fixed, good writers couldn't get out of the petting zoo, and no progress was being made to improve things and it was always being blamed on being "too busy" with family stuff.

I started removing content off there over a year ago and fortunately only have a few pieces left - which will either be coming here or one of my own websites now.

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on 05/02/2015

@LindaSmith1
 

 

 

 To understand why those sites may blame those algorithms, you need to know what each one actually is.

Penguin is a "links" based algorithm that supposedly combats spammy link schemes and article directory and comment spam. 

Panda is all about quality, "whatever that is in the eyes of Google" Affiliate marketing has really been a rough ride at the content farms.

I agree with your premise about the content farms. It does seem the larger a site gets the harder it is for them to keep quality where it needs to be.

I always thought "erroneously as it turned out" that HubPages' sub-domains were a good way to protect individual writers from large bad quality slaps, but we experienced the proof this past October, that clearly was not the case.

Must be a particularly trying time for HP, who were so drunk on there own success that they thought they could absorb Squidoo warts and all and not have any problems.

This has been one heck of a 2 year period for writing online.

 

 

LindaSmith1
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on 05/02/2015

HP didn't want Squidoo per say.  They wanted to get rid of it.  The tactic was, get the content, have that content on accounts all by themselves for each writer, even those who already had accounts with HP.  Now, they are unfeaturing hubs, primarily those from Squidoo.  HP knows if you unfeature hubs enough, the writer will move it elsewhere, or delete it all together.  

They don't fear moving of hubs because they see those of us with our own sites as not a threat to them, no competition for them. 

 


Linda Smith
LindaSmith1
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on 05/02/2015

I just read a post on HP:   Zujva lost their account for "cookie stuffing."   

Post by Writer Fox:  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/130341

here is part of that post, then WF goes no more about cookie stuffer program

 

Zujava lost its Amazon account because of cookie stuffing.  This is a deliberate act to download an affiliate cookie when a visitor visits a website.  What this means is that a visitor just reading an article on Zujava (and NOT clicking an Amazon ad) would have a cookie installed on his computer which contained Zujava's affiliate code for Amazon.  So, if that person ever bought anything from Amazon over the next 30 days (now only 24 hours), Zujava would get a commission.  There is another term for this:  FRAUD


Linda Smith
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on 05/03/2015

 

LindaSmith1: 05/02/2015 - 04:10 PM

 

They don't fear moving of hubs because they see those of us with our own sites as not a threat to them, no competition for them. 

 

Not really, that doesn't make sense. They are just removing low quality content (based on their algorithms). Every website on the internet is possible competition to HP considering the number of niches you find hubs on. 


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sockii
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on 05/03/2015

I would like to know WF's actual source for that information re: cookie stuffing on Zujava before accepting it as absolute fact.

LindaSmith1
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on 05/03/2015

Socki:   WF didn't give a source.  I think I will ask that question.    I asked, now let's see what the answer is.


Linda Smith
sockii
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on 05/03/2015

 

LindaSmith1: 05/03/2015 - 08:48 AM

Socki:   WF didn't give a source.  I think I will ask that question.    I asked, now let's see what the answer is.

I would certainly like to know. As I have said before, I am no great defender of Zujava and the administration there and haven't been for a long time, but primarily because of the lack of communication over problems that had been ongoing long before the Amazon issue even began. But I have plenty of issues with things that get said over in the HP forums as well, and certain posters there, and I don't understand why one person's very strong accusations should be taken as "fact" without providing any evidence for what they are saying. Particularly given the poster in question.

LindaSmith1
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on 05/03/2015

I asked today, but no response Socki!


Linda Smith
LindaSmith1
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on 05/04/2015

Sockii:      Claim cookie put on their computer when they visited site.

Rule 27 was violated.  Bill mentioned that himself.  

Apparently the site income came from  sales, and when Amazon cancelled the account, well, we know the rest.  

 


Linda Smith
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on 06/08/2015

Wow, this is fascinating to me. I strongly dislike HubPages, and when Squidoo went down, I didn't want to join it. Before Squidoo sold out to HubPages though, I was already looking for alternatives and that's when I found Wizzley.

I carefully researched, and considered Zujava as an alternative to Wizzley, but Wizzley clearly won out in my eyes.  The main reason I preferred Wizzley was that it seemed more selective--i.e. it distinguished itself by being more selective not only than any of the "second tier competition", but also more selective than the big two, Squidoo and HubPages.

Although on some level I'm a bit surprised to see Zujava fall so hard and fast, it does make sense to me that it fell in this way.


Alex Zorach, editor of RateTea and co-founder of Why This Way
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