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JoHarrington
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on 06/01/2012

Hiya,

The United Kingdom is all lumped together, except for Scotland, which is floating free in its own separate category.

Is there any chance that we could have sub-categories under the UK please?  The countries are: Cornwall, England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.  

Leaving aside the fact that at least three of those countries don't even want to be in the UK, it would also make it easier to organise them on things like Twitterfeed.

Each of the countries has a very distinct national identity, which would become apparent in their own sub-categories.  But would still merge in the parent category of the UK for those travellers who have no idea what a political/historical minefield they're entering. :)

yours

Jo

xxxxxx


chefkeem
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on 06/01/2012

Hi Jo,

all our categories end at the second sub-level, e.g Travel -->  Europe -->  UK, etc.

Also, I don't think we'll get too many articles about Cornwall, for instance, so that we need an extra category.

The specifics are always in the page titles. Categories group together similar topics.

If people come to the Wizzley home page looking for articles about Cornwall, they would surely browse our UK category.

I dunno...that's how I look at it. Anyone have different viewpoints?


Achim "Chef Keem" Thiemermann is the co-founder of a pretty cool new platform called...um...er...oh, yeah - Wizzley.com.
Sheri_Oz
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on 06/01/2012

As a citizen of one of the former British colonies making up the former British Empire (Canada - I hold dual Canada-Israel citizenship), and as someone who was a student in Reading for a year, I quite openly and unabashedly do declare that I had no idea that Cornwall was a separate country.  I was there for a romantic visit with my then boyfriend before leaving for Israel and I had no idea that those rocky and windy shores claimed a separate nationality.  Do the Cornish (is that what they are called?) have a separate language as the Welsh do?

I must also admit that I had lumped Scotland in with the UK even though I was pretty sure it is a separate country. I think, in fact, that Liverpool should be a separate country since I don't really understand them when they talk and I've been told it is English.


Now please set me straight - I thought North Ireland and South Ireland were both separate countries and quite decidedly not part of England, the UK, yes. England, no. Right?

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Just thought of something else - what's the difference between Great Britain and the UK?

Sounds like an idea for another wizzle, eh?


JoHarrington
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on 06/01/2012

Ah!  I hadn't spotted that you can only have three levels of categories. >.<  That kind of heads this suggestion off at the pass. :p

I could certainly fill a whole website with articles about poor, old Kernow.  It's one of the major tourist destinations in the British Isles and the history is fascinating. Not to mention its limbo status as a nation.  Most people (even the British) don't even realise it is a country!  It's been so swallowed by England.

We'll just have to work from the other way around. Get rid of the UK, so we can get rid of the category. LOL   Eire already made it out; and Scotland's currently in a spirited escape bid.  Just need to extricate Wales and Cornwall.  As for Northern Ireland... that one is well documented. No need to even go there here.

Then England can go and join the USA; and everyone's where they want to be! :D

yours

Jo

xxxxxx

PS  Perhaps I should explain all of this in a Wizzle, so poor foreign tourists do know the politics and history. :)


JoHarrington
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on 06/01/2012

 

Sheri: 01. Jun 2012, 11:28

Do the Cornish (is that what they are called?) have a separate language as the Welsh do?

I must also admit that I had lumped Scotland in with the UK even though I was pretty sure it is a separate country. I think, in fact, that Liverpool should be a separate country since I don't really understand them when they talk and I've been told it is English.


Now please set me straight - I thought North Ireland and South Ireland were both separate countries and quite decidedly not part of England, the UK, yes. England, no. Right?

- - - - - - - - - - -  - - - - -

Just thought of something else - what's the difference between Great Britain and the UK?

Sounds like an idea for another wizzle, eh?

 

Yes, the Cornish do have a separate language.  It's reasonably close to Welsh, but more akin to Breton.  I have a Cornish dictionary sitting right here.

The UK was formed when Scotland and England signed the Act of Union.  Not that most of the Scottish wanted it. There were riots on the streets of Edinburgh, as people sought to find where the Act was being signed. It was eventually agreed in a cellar with the door barricaded. There's a referendum next year to finally get Scotland out of the UK again.

Poor Liverpool!  LOL  Yes, the Scousers do have a very distinctive regional accent, but they're English.  (And I can't really talk about regional accents. You've never heard me speak.)

Neither Irish country is part of England.  Eire (Republic of Ireland) is not even part of the UK anymore.  Go Eire!  Northern Ireland is part of the UK though.

Britain is the countries where the Britons live.  There's Great Britain (Wales, Cornwall, England) and Little Britain, better known by its French name of Brittany.  Most people ignore the latter and call Great Britain plus Scotland by the name Britain.

Confusing the issue even more is the geographical area of the British Isles, which doesn't include Brittany, but does include Scotland.  After the Act of Union, Scotland was included as part of the Kingdom of Great Britain.  Technically Ireland is part of the British Isles (but absolutely NOT Britain), however you'll be bludgeoned to death if you tried to tell anyone from Eire that they were in the British Isles.

As you may gather from all of this, the history is a bit nasty.


Sheri_Oz
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on 06/01/2012

OK.  I give up.  I'll stick with Upper Canada and Lower Canada. That's about as complicated as I can handle.

All this UK and Great Britain (and Little Britain?  Gees, who makes this stuff up?) and Eire stuff has got my head spinning. So much complex history for such a small part of the globe (and that's coming from an Israeli who lives in an even smaller part of the globe with perhaps as complex a history). Must have something to do with the Holy Grail. Or perhaps with Brian.  Or was it Fawkes Landing?

So what accent do you have, Jo?


JoHarrington
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on 06/01/2012

This has so inspired a Wizzle.  It'll be coming to a Wizzley near you sometime later tonight. :)

Prepare to be even more confused than you actually are! 

Black Country accent here. 


Kangaroo_Jase
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on 06/02/2012

Here is an easy one.

 

Australia - Former colony, federated as a nation in 1901 (constitutional monarchy), still part of the Commonwealth (as is Canada) 6 states and 3 territories. Sometime in the future the nation wishes to separate from having a English monarch as head of state and replace with a President as head of state (constitutional republic). A Prime Minister will still govern the country.

...... Oh and my accent is Oztraylin......

nickupton
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on 06/02/2012

Just to help you confuse everyone Jo, you haven't mentioned the status of The Channel Islands and the Isle of Man both of which are British Crown Dependencies with their own legal systems. Isle of Man even has its own language (Manx) and only abolished the Death sentence in 1993.

In my county (Kent) we even differentiate between Kentishmen and Men of Kent depending on which side of the river Medway one was born!


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JoHarrington
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on 06/02/2012

Let the confusion reign!  I've written a whole Wizzle about it:

What is the Difference Between the UK and Britain?

It could have been so much longer.  I kept wanting to veer off into more explanations and histories, but I did my best to stay focused.

Jase, I don't find it at all hard to believe that the the Empire left confusion in its wake all over the world too.


Nick, I ninjaed the Crown Dependencies into the article, but only touched historically on the divisions within England.  You think you have problems in Kent?  We can't even agree on the borders of the Black Country!


Sheri_Oz
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on 06/02/2012

We only just talked about this yesterday and you already wiggled a wizzley out?  You ARE AMAZING, Jo.

Can you send some of your wizzle energy my direction?


JoHarrington
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on 06/02/2012

*preen and blush*  Thank you.  Thank you.


Though it does help that I was born knowing this stuff. :)


Wizzley energy?  Erm... ok, found some!  Here you go: 


humagaia
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on 06/03/2012

If you guys think all this is confusing just think what it does to us Brits (mentally).

To try to initiate some understanding of our mental instability when it comes to the idea of the National identity of us English (not Brit's) I once wrote a hub - it is a bit long and involved, but those of you who may be interested - http://humagaia.hubpages.com/hub/England-Schizophrenic-Nation

Jo, what about Lundy and the Isle of Wight? Oh, and the little offshore island of Gibraltar?

Loved the article by the way.


JoHarrington
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on 06/03/2012

That Hub was brilliant!  I giggled all of the way through it.

I was trying to keep the Wizzle as simple as possible, hence only briefly touching on some of the smaller islands.   I could have written a book on this!


humagaia
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on 06/03/2012

"I could have written a book on this" - I reckon it is time you wrote a book on this! Your Wizz would be a great intro and link module.


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