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The Tropical Ravine, Belfast, June 2022

Following on from Frank's article about The Giant's Causeway earlier in June, here is my pictorial visit to Belfast's restored Tropical Ravine which I visited nearly 3 weeks ago.

A family wedding in Belfast took us there in the first week of June and we variously visited several locations to make it a holiday too. The Tropical Ravine is situated in Belfast's beautiful Botanic Gardens at Queen's University. It opened in 1889 having replaced the original orchid and propagating houses. At that time, it was called The Tropical Glen, later called the Tropical Ravine. Since its restoration, I have wanted to visit but lockdowns have prevented it until this month. It is a small exhibit but well worth a visit. It probably takes about half an hour to visit but the rest of the Botanic Gardens are worth a visit too, as is the Ulster Museum also on-site! A link to Belfast's Botanic Gardens is here in the sidebar! The best thing for me in the Restoration is the huge attention paid to period detail and the use of authentic 19th Century plants.

History

Although The Tropical Glen/ Ravine officially opened in 1889 it was in planning, growing and developing since 1887.
It was designed to be viewed from above into a sunken ravine and observed from a balcony. This has been retained and we stood on the balcony to view the beautiful plants. It is very hot and steamy in there, like The Tropics in fact.  Well named! I need to step outside once or twice to breathe. A small waterfall was situated at one end of it and is still in the restoration.

Over the years it was extended and more plants were added too.

A collage

Restoration work 2014- 2018

The Tropical Ravine fell into disrepair and was eventually closed in 2014 but plans were already underway to restore it to its former glories even then. Belfast has made huge efforts with its tourism and this restoration is no exception.
Work started to restore the Ravine in the spirit of the original building. Many features were restored and preserved. The grid below is an example of this.
I discovered that it is sooooo HOT in there because they have triple-glazed windows to keep it that way!
It is beautiful!

Old features

Old features Restored

John Templeton

The "Father of Irish Botany"


An information board ( and I LOVE Information Boards ) about John Templeton, known affectionately as "The Father of Irish Botany" was on the balcony.
John, a Belfast Man, had lovingly created a greenhouse of tropical plants that he had acquired and been given from around the world. He is credited with finding the beautiful Templeton Rose, growing wild in the North of Ireland. Today, it is only found now in Belfast Botanic Gardens.

Templeton Rose
Hibiscus

Conclusion


The Tropical Ravine is a well-restored attraction which is worth a visit but only takes a small time to see so it needs to be included in other visits to the Queen's University, Belfast.
We thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

Updated June 26, 2022

Comments

VeronicaDec 16, 2024

My big bro is our family genius.

DerdriuMarrinerNov 26, 2024

Thank you for your comment below, on Jul 15, 2022, in answer to my previous observation Jun 29, 2022.

Your answer in the box immediately below describes John Templeton as "a very unassuming gentleman who did not particularly push himself forwards for attention. He was happy staying mostly in Ireland ( well who would not be ? :) )."

That description fits with what you mention in Belfast, Ireland: Botanical Gardens and with what Frank notes in Rosa Hibernica, the Irish Rose.

What would be more better -- ;-D -- than a wizzley trio about an Irish plant scientist, an Irish rose and two Irish places?

VeronicaJul 15, 2022

Derdriu
I apologise for the tardy response. I had not seen the post .
John Templeton was a very unassuming gentleman who did not particularly push himself forwards for attention. He was happy staying mostly in Ireland ( well who would not be ? :) )

Thank you for your comments.

DerdriuMarrinerJun 29, 2022

Thank you, Frank!

It's most elucidating that you not only figure out the value but that you relate it in such sobering terms as average wages, lower in Ireland and Scotland, higher in England, and as what a woman averagely earned from one year's work.

It's nice to know that John Templeton was appreciated financially -- and hopefully professionally and socially -- for his discovery back then and that he still is today, what with the Templeton rose and the Tropical ravine wizzleys!

VeronicaJun 29, 2022

Very clever reasoning. You are a star.

frankbeswickJun 29, 2022

It is hard to specify the value of five guineas in 1802,but I have pored over some on-line figures and have found that in the eighteenth century in England, which won't be very different from 1802, an average worker might take home fifteen shillings a week. There were twenty shillings in a pound and twenty one in a guinea. So five guineas is 105 shillings, so 105 divided by 15 is 7. It follows that 5 guineas was seven weeks earnings for an ordinary family. But wages in Scotland and Ireland were lower than they were in England, so Templeton's prize was worth more in relative terms than it would have been in England. The average earnings for a female worker was eight pounds a year., so five guineas was worth 105 divided by 160 of a woman's annual earnings, not far off two thirds of a woman's annual earnings.

DerdriuMarrinerJun 28, 2022

Thank you, Frank and Veronica, for the most helpful information on the significance of payment in guineas and on their worth nowadays.

(Veronica, It turns out that the discovery was in 1802. An online source incorrectly wrote 1795. But most likely the difference would not be that much between what a guinea from that year and a guinea from seven years later, in 1802, would be worth nowadays, in 2022, right?)

VeronicaJun 26, 2022

TY

frankbeswickJun 26, 2022

A guinea was worth one pound and one shilling, a shilling being twelve old pence,which was the equivalent of one pound and five new pence. Only the relatively rich dealt in guineas. Horse racing, a rich person's sport still deals in guineas.

VeronicaJun 24, 2022

Derdriu
£5 guineas would have been a substantial sum in 1795. Approx £2000 I guestimate, which would be approx $2500,00 today.

VeronicaJun 24, 2022

Dearest BSG,
Thank you for commenting. There were scents of the flowers as the plants grow tall but the overwhelming smell is sort of dank and musty, ferny because of the temperatures.

blackspanielgalleryJun 23, 2022

Viewing from a balcony must have been a distint, different way of viewing a garden. The problem it has is there would be no aromatic scents from the flowers.
Gardens are best when taken in via multiple senses.

VeronicaJun 23, 2022

Derdriu
Thanks for this info . Indeed I found a rock group too ! I wonder why they chose that name !

DerdriuMarrinerJun 23, 2022

Veronica, Biodiversity Heritage Library has online reading available of The Genus Rosa by Ellen Willmott and artist Alfred Parsons from 1910 by John Murray.

Page 288, on ROSA HIBERNICA Templeton, mentions that John Templeton received five guineas from the Dublin Society for discovering the "new Irish plant" known by us nowadays -- and most recently, through your wizzley ;-D -- as the Templeton Rose.

Would that have been a small or a substantial sum in 1795?

DerdriuMarrinerJun 23, 2022

Frank, Are you interested in, and do you have the time for, writing a wizzley on the Templeton Rose?

The search term Templeton Rose only brought up a Missouri musical group!

But the expanded search term Templeton Rose Rosa Hibernica called up interesting information from such sources as helpmefind, habitas, shoutwiki and treesandshrubs.

The shoutwiki article Rosa x hibernica Templeton contains a link through Biodiversity Heritage Library to The Genus Rosa by Ellen Willmott, F.L.S. with drawings by Alfred Parsons, A.R.A. for publication in London through John Murray of Albemarle Street, W. Pages 288-289 have the article 98-ROSA HIBERNICA Templeton

VeronicaJun 23, 2022

Very interesting ty . i have looked through my photos and I think I have a photo of it which I have added above .

very pretty

frankbeswickJun 23, 2022

There are probably many hybrid varieties of wild roses that contain some genes from Rosa h hibernica.

frankbeswickJun 23, 2022

Rosa Hibernica would have become extinct in the wild because it would have interbred with other,closely related, Rosa species. This is normal. If you want to preserve a species from having its distinctiveness bred out you need to use vegetative propagation,which in the case of roses involves taking cuttings.

VeronicaJun 23, 2022

Morning Derdriu, Ty.

On my travel and places articles, I always try to make it feel as though you are walking with me.

I am really keen to know more about the Templeton Rose.

VeronicaJun 23, 2022

Morning Big Bro,
I do not have more info on the Templeton Rose or even a picture . If anyone can direct me to one, I would appreciate it.

DerdriuMarrinerJun 22, 2022

Veronica, Thank you for practical information, pretty pictures and product lines.

In particular, I appreciate your taking all us readers along with you -- by way of commentary and images -- on such a lovely tour.

The Templeton rose is so lovely and so photogenic. Is it only available in the Tropical Ravine because it went extinct in the wild. If so, was that extinction because of development, disease, pests, topography or weather?

frankbeswickJun 22, 2022

Rosa hibernica. The name means Irish Rose. There will be others of this species, but the one in the ravine will be a direct descendant of Templeton's original. It will be propagated by cuttings.

frankbeswickJun 22, 2022

Have you more information on the Templeton Rose? I have looked it up and cannot find any reference to it.There must be a scientific name.
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