We can agree that pretty much everything and everyone was made or created by someone or something. We twenty-first century humans have figured out who or what made most of them.
For example, we all agree that the Andes Mountains were made by natural forces and the ruined city of Machu Picchu was made by the Incas. Why they built this city up there on the top of the mountains in Peru is not known (or at least not agreed upon), but at least we all agree it was human beings (not aliens!) that made it!
However, there are still a few origins that we haven't agreed on - yet. So let's debate them!
Image of Machu Picchu from Wikimedia Commons.
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I certainly did! You gave us a lot to think about.
Yes, it is not God Him/Herself that man creates, but rather the construct of God. Atheists would argue that the concept is purely a man-made construct and there is no creator being. In this case man created the concept of God is accurate.
Interesting page!
Your comments, Blackspaniel, are always apt, and I concur with your observation that proving God's existence before the Big Bang is impossible.Yet proof is a rare thing and we can make hypotheses, which are susceptible to justification rather than proof. Thus they can take us to belief rather than knowledge, which is the reward of proof. Keith Ward, Oxford professor of Theology, wrote an excellent book, God,Chance and Necessity, which analyses the three main hypotheses about the beginnings of the universe, and this book is well worth reading. What he produces are grounds for belief.
I think that there is an issue of language raised in the discussion of God. Some say that man created God, but this confuses God with the language and theory of God. God is prior to man, so man could not create him/her. But the word God is a human invention required to give a name to what we believe in. There are also different theories and understandings of God, and all of these are human products constructed to explain the religious awareness that there is a being prior to and greater than all things. The word explains the object of religious experience.
Yes! God simply exists, I agree. No creator of God. I just worded it that way to parallel "did man create God." Although perhaps one can say that God the Creator did not exist until God started creating, so in that sense God "created" the Creator! And indeed God also transcends time, so in a sense "before" there was time there was God.
You ask some deep questions. Understand, time exists in the universe, but ceases in a detached singularity like a black hole, so trying to prove or disprove Cod before the Big Bang, which is also an uncertainty, is not within our ability to do. I would argue that God did not ?create" God, and certainly man did not. God simply exists, not subject to time.
Yes, there is plenty of historical evidence regarding these interesting phenomena. I love the story of the farmer who thought the Devil made the crop circles!
The Nazca lines can be explained in the same way that much of Britain's neolithic monumental landscape can be explained. Archaeologists believe that stone age folk engaged in collective acts of landscaping and construction as a community bonding exercise. They think this because many monuments show show signs of being regularly reworked, for no pressing reason.
Those who like to write off all crop circles as hoaxes should realize that there are records from the seventeenth century of their occurring overnight. There is a tale that a reaper and a farmer had a dispute about the cost of mowing the farmer's fields and the angry farmer said that he would rather have the Devil mow his crops. Overnight three circles appeared and the farmer thought that the Devil had taken up the challenge and would want paying. The terrified man rushed to church to seek pardon and support from the minister. But the Devil did not arrive. I suspect that the circles are caused by vortices of air.