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humagaia
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on 01/20/2013

After reading this article:

http://hubsacademy.com/1008/has-wizzley-com-lost-its-adsense-account/

and commenting on it:

http://hubsacademy.com/1008/has-wizzley-com-lost-its-adsense-account/#comment-660

I think it would be politic of Wizzley to update us all, by email, about the current position with regards to Adsense.

What are your thoughts on this?


Paul
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on 01/20/2013

I'm not able to see your comment, humagaia, but this might be because I don't have a hubpages account.

From my point of view, that article is just scaremongering. I've faith that the admins have removed all offending content and the adsense appeal will go through happily. It's actually impressive that the whole situation has advanced this far since the incident as Google usually are difficult to communicate with.

As for emailing writers, I believe an email was sent to everyone with an Adsense ID in their profile, I do not have one so I can't vouch for what was contained in it, but I'd assume that a brief explanation would be in there.

Regarding updates, I can't imagine there being many to give other than the initial "Hey we've got some problems, this is what we're doing about it" and maybe "we've submitted our appeal, we can only wait".

JoHarrington
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on 01/20/2013

I love how all of the Wizzley links on there go back to HubAcademy, while the Hubpages ones go to the referral one for that site.

Isn't all this a bit like asking Coca Cola to put a statement out on Pepsi?  Or asking the Tories to comment on Labour?  

It reads to me like an almighty 'JOIN HUBPAGES'  'MAKE YOUR OWN WEBSITE' rant, with nothing much else to say about Wizzley.  Other than he can't find anything too dodgy, other than the latest Adsense thing and the fact that the site isn't as old as others in its field.

And I also recall that notice on the forum, stating that everyone with an Adsense account here had been sent an e-mail asking them to check for a notice from Google.  Perhaps this individual would have preferred a gold plated telegram?

Beyond that, I'm not even using Adsense and I've known every twist and turn of this situation.  There have been frequent updates on the forum. 

Situation - Adsense went.  No-one knew why.  Wizzley asked on the forum if anyone had received a notification.  No-one had.  Wizzley sent out the e-mail asking all Adsense users if they'd received word from their feudal overlords.  No-one responded that they had.  Wizzley asked Google for information.  They then checked all 20k articles against the Google rules.  That took time.  The appeal has now gone in.  Response expected any time since two days ago.

What more can possibly be said or done?

Edit:  Sorry, I hadn't seen that Paul also replied, as I've had this open for a bit!  I also couldn't see your comment, Chaz.  I haven't got a Hubpages account.

 


lobobrandon
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on 01/20/2013

Ok this isn't adding to the conversation, but I don't think Hubpages owns hubacademy - do they?


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JoHarrington
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on 01/20/2013

Oh!  My bad!  Sorry.  I just thought it was an annex of Hubpages because of the name.  Perhaps some offical channel there or something.

Thanks for the clarification. <3


lobobrandon
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on 01/20/2013

Nope in my more than a year there I haven't heard of it. So I guess now :) Wasn't sure myself.


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humagaia
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on 01/20/2013

My response is awaiting moderation - sorry for that oversight.

HubsAcademy is not owned by Hubpages - but it does put them in their place when necessary.

This guy knows what he is talking about.

Very few people on Wizzley use the forum - I guess about 40 hardcore at the most.

The e-mail sent out was to ask if anyone had received a notice from Adsense, not to inform them of the current situation.

Thanks Jo for the current position - perhaps Chef can use it as a basis to update all those that do not frequent this Forum - just as a courtesy - surely that would not hurt.

 

 


Paul
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on 01/20/2013

I can see why it might be an issue not emailing everyone, but if I ever encounter a problem I'd head straight to the forums - but then again, what if I didn't notice it? 

Regardless, it very much just is an anti-Wizzley article. perhaps someone should write an article detailing hubpages daily reach decline? Wink (In all seriousness, don't haha.)

humagaia
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on 01/20/2013

 

Paul: 01/20/2013 - 07:53 AM

It very much just is an anti-Wizzley article. perhaps someone should write an article detailing their daily reach decline? Wink

This guy is a writer at Wizzley and HP.

To reiterate HubsAcademy is not associated or affiliated with Hubpages.

I personally did not read it as anti-Wizzley, just a concerned writer recording their concern that Wizzley had not informed its writers in an appropriate manner about the issue of Adsense withdrawal. About the only negative I saw (and recorded in my brain) was that concerning 'good luck' with getting Adsense back - if the 'good luck' was stated as meaning  'unlikely to get a positive response from Google Adsense' - they are notorious with regard to not reinstating Adsense for accounts (Jo, you must be aware of this as it happened to you!).

Regardless, my only interest with the Forum post was to see whether any others of you guys felt that Wizzley might be wise to update everybody with the current position, and maybe what has been done so far, so that everybody is aware of the current situation.

It seems the feeling is "don't bother - if you can't be bothered to keep informed through the Forum, then tough luck". Oh well, seems I am the only one that has concerns here on the Forum that Wizzley will be seen as thoughtless regarding their authors (that do not frequent the Forum).

Personally I think it would be a great PR + if an e-mail is sent, and a great PR - if it is not.


Paul
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on 01/20/2013

If the author is both Wizzley and HP, why not create essentially the forum post you've written here? I feel that would've been far more productive rather than writing an article on HubsAcademy.

Getting back on topic, from an objective point of view, perhaps an email would've been (and still would be) a good idea, however, from my experiences of sites and forums, they tend to use the "site news" sections to post updates like this rather than emailing as more would see the news post.

Saying that, the demographics are obviously different as well as the forum popularity, so maybe an email and the forum post would've been a good compromise.

JoHarrington
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on 01/20/2013

Remember that my comments come through the filter of utter disdain for Google; and the fact that all I've heard recently is  that Google are really lovely and fluffy.  When they take you down, it's not personal, it's just business.  They were only obeying orders.  And you can't hate a corporation.  They're just an entity.  And they love you.

Yeah.  I'll send them a Valentine's card to thank them for banning me from Adsense within the first month of me starting online writing (with no explanation as to why); and for smacking Suite101 with Panda 2, just when I'd started to make decent money; and for withdrawing Adsense from Wizzley, thus leaving me with the paranoid deduction that half of the writers here will just quietly drift away, if it can't be reinstated. Which wouldn't be great for the 370-odd articles that I busted a gut to write here last year and which are just starting to make me money.

So when I read a blog entry from someone who appeared to come from Hubpages, telling people pretty much to abandon ship, because there's no Google love over here any more, you might see how my BS radar goes off.

Yes, please do send an e-mail to everyone, who can't be arsed to check the forums.  Only leave me off the mailing list.


humagaia
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on 01/20/2013

My comments on the article (which you have not seen yet - awaiting moderation) were to assert that it is best to forget about adsense (and Google as a whole, for that matter - boycott the B......s) and concentrate on all the other great ways of making money on Wizzley.

If you use the resources well then Adsense becomes an irrelevance.

Wizzley is by far the best Web 2.0 site for diversifying ones income opportunities, thus demoting Google to an also-ran (where it belongs, due to its complete disregard for those that cause it to earn money). Too many PR blunders by Google for them ever to be considered as a good business by me.

Just did not want Wizzley to fall foul of PR- when there is an opportunity still left for it to tell the facts as they are (and to shout out loud what other opportunities there are to earn from the Wizzley platform - unsurpassed in the Web 2.0 world IMHO).

Just make a potential disaster (not my view on the situation) into a PR positive for the site.

"Forget the negatives, accentuate the positives".

In fact, now I think of it, one's articles may just get a boost in Google SERPs if Adsense is no longer available on Wizzley. The site could concentrate on developing a structure unencumbered by rules that are set down by Google - now wouldn't that be nice!


2uesday
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on 01/20/2013

I do think Wizzley would have found it difficult to email everyone about the missing Adsense message/communication. The first reaction many may have had to the Adsense plug being pulled was to remove their Adsense id out of settings page and put a Chitika id in,so an Adsense users rapidly became Chitika users instead.

Wizzley has always been good at responding to our questions in the forums and I think if we had asked they would have responded to any queries. I thought they had a mega job on their hands with such a small team to comb through all the articles for possible infringements and I felt that it was best to wait for them to get back to us. 

I was surprised that this happened on a site where there is an effective moderation system in place. I guess it might be about the way one reads an Adsense T.O. S rule and then relates it to articles, not easy as has been said. 

It concerns me in the article where he mentions the risk to Adsense accounts through referrals, not sure what that means.

 I think the point about members of this site who are not regulars to the forum here and the possibility of them not being aware of the situation, so everyone needing an email to inform them, is something that might be worth considering in the future. 

I think there are plenty of positive reasons to continue to write and visit Wizzley and that it will grow over the years and hopefully this is just a temporary 'growing pain'.

 

Mira
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on 01/20/2013

I think it would be great if we learned what some of the bones of contention with Google are. But not right now. After it's all said and done.


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chefkeem
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on 01/20/2013

Good morning all!  Smile

I'm a bit confused about this issue.

We sent out an email to make everyone aware of our AdSense problem.

For discussions and updates from our side, we started a thread in our Official Wizzley News. My last update stated that we... 

  • are in communication with the AdSense Team
  • have submitted Wizzley for a new review
  • are waiting for the response

If I am a Wizzley writer and something seems to be wrong with my account, the first thing I do is check the Wizzley forums. If I don't find any answers I write to Wizzley support.

What's HP got to do with all this?


Achim "Chef Keem" Thiemermann is the co-founder of a pretty cool new platform called...um...er...oh, yeah - Wizzley.com.
humagaia
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on 01/20/2013

What's HP got to do with all this?

Absolutely nothing - people were confused because the post was at HubsAcademy - which I have stated has nothing whatsoever to do with Hubpages.


JoHarrington
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on 01/20/2013

Chaz - Love you to bits.  Thank you for every word of that; and sorry for acting the petulant child here today.

Sue - Your points are very well made.  Though I don't see how individual Adsense accounts could be in danger here.  They're only removed if the article they're shown on falls foul of the rules.  Everyone holds their own, so look to your articles, and if you're happy with them, then all is good.  Adsense would only be removed on those accounts which did fall foul, plus the site as a whole.  If you can use Adsense anywhere else, then you're all good too.

Mira - Google don't tell you the bones of contention. They even went to court once, when someone sued to find out said bones of contention. Their lawyers argued that such information can't be in the public sphere, because people would take the information to game the system. The judge ruled against them and ordered costs to be paid. So they appealed.  The appeal judge ruled for them.  In short, there's now a legal precedent in the USA, which says that Google can do what it wants and doesn't have to tell you anything.

Achim - Morning!  And sorry about the HP confusion.  That was me, mistaking the blog for HP itself. -.-


Digby_Adams
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on 01/20/2013

The Hubs Academy report does not do Wizzley justice. It continues to review all shared writing platforms by the Adsense revenue model standard. For HubPages that is a necessary component. Because it is now impossible to make money on HP without an adsense account. However, we all know that is not true for Wizzley. As long as Viglink and Amazon remain options here, there is the possibility of good money.

As many others here, I write at Squidoo, HubPages and Wizzley - as well as have my own websites. Each site is different and has it's own strengths and weaknesses. It is counter productive to get into tit for tat exchanges.

onetimeuser
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on 01/21/2013

Probably already been said (long thread to read all the way through), but HubsAcademy was created by a very well respected former hubber who ran some awesome tutorials and 30 day challenges. It is 100% independent of Hubpages and has shown itself impartial too (I'm sure that hubpages has had its fair share of critique). 

A hell of a lot of hubbers learnt a lot and earned a lot of money from his tutorials. When hubpages seemingly fell apart at the seams and the community dispersed to pastures new (including a few to Wizzley as it happens) the site took much less of a hubpages-centric focus and now provides commentary and advice on online writing in general.

Squidoo, Hubpages, Wizzley, and whatever wherever writers are typically much the same people, after all. Whilst I wouldn't necessary agree with the tone of that article, primarily because I have faith in Wizzley to see that their adsense account is returned and subsequently retained, the webmaster is very much on the ball and very well respected.

I can find five pages with multiple dofollow links on that site to wizzley with what look like referral codes,  so wouldn't conclude an anti-Wizzley agenda from that..... and besides, all publicity is good publicity.

onetimeuser
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on 01/21/2013

 

JoHarrington: 01/20/2013 - 07:41 AM

I love how all of the Wizzley links on there go back to HubAcademy, while the Hubpages ones go to the referral one for that site.

All three Wizzley links on that article appear to lead directly to Wizzley when I click them?

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