Roman Ghosts in Britain

by frankbeswick

The Roman legions left in AD 410; but are some Romans still with us?

You have seen Roman soldiers in school books and pictures. Imagine what it would be like to meet a group of real, live Romans;or worse, a group of dead ones. This is what happened to Harry Martindale, a young plumber working in York in 1953. But he was not the only one to have had Roman apparitions suddenly appear, for they crop up occasionally at Roman sites around the country..He simply saw several at the same time. He didn't feel lucky.

Picture courtesy of joelARFIjoel of Pixabay

The Treasury House.

Cities are built on the rubble of previous buildings, and so when the Normans erected the Treasury House at York in the late eleventh century the cellar excavation came down to a paved surface, the old Roman road, which is significant in our story.

The road led to the legionary base of Eboracum, now York, where first the ill-fated ninth legion, probably so badly damaged in a rebellion in northern Britain that it was disbanded. and later the sixth were based.In later years it was to become the capital of the emergent English kingdom  of Deira, so much military activity went on there. 

Harry Martindale was an eighteen year old apprentice plumber assigned by his employer to do some preliminary work in the Treasury House in the cellar.The previous owner had had some heating pipes and a boiler  installed, but they were not satisfactory at warming the chilly mediaeval edifice. So Harry, who had never before had any ghostly experience and who was not remotely concerned with the supernatural, got up on his ladder and began to chip a hole in the ancient stonework..

Then he heard a noise, the sound of a horn calling. Puzzled,the young plumber noted that it seemed to come from behind the cellar wall. Then through the cellar wall, along the  line of the Roman road came a man in Roman garb leading a horse. He was followed by  a group of about twenty men on foot. Harry had an observant eye that was later to  serve him well when he swapped careers and joined the police force.  He saw  that the men wore green tunics. They carried round shields rather than the traditional legionary scutum and that they had scabbards on their left side, unlike legionaries, who bore them on the right.  Their sandal-shod feet were at the level of the road's surface. Harry noted that they appeared tired and sad.

But the Romans were completely non-reactive to him, It was as though Harry was watching a video player. For the Romans Harry was not there.They marched on their  way through the opposite wall and were gone.By this time the terrified plumber had fallen off his ladder. He sprang to his feet and fled the cellar. He met the house manager, who took a look at him and said, "You've seen the Romans, haven't you?" Harry was off work with stress for two weeks. He never went back to the cellar.He never changed his story from 1953 to his death in 2014.

Sceptics made a point of commenting that the soldiers were not clad as legionaries and so concluded that Harry had been hallucinating or lying. But not so fast, Sceptic. The Romans had other kinds of soldier,auxiliaries and foederati, who had their distinctive weaponry. In later years auxiliaries merged with legionaries as field troops,while foederati, often German tribesmen, became garrison troops. It was the field troops that were withdrawn, while the garrison troops remained. Could Harry's apparition have been troops of one of these groups?

 

Reflections

What are we to make of this account? Harry had no history of hallucination or mental illness, otherwise he would not have managed to enter the police force. He had a long police career and retired with an unblemished record. Certainly not the life of a liar. 

Hallucinations are distinctive to individuals, so two people don't have the same hallucination.The Romans in the cellar have been seen by several independent witnesses. The owner, Mr Green, who commissioned the cellar work, had seen them, as did one person in the year after Harry saw them, and there are others.Philosophers put great store by the public nature of an experience.Private experiences are regarded as suspect,but the more people have an experience the greater its credibility.  If a number of witnesses experience the same thing simultaneously, there is much credibility to what they say, but if several experience the same or substantially similar in succession,the credibility is enhanced, as the experience is still public.

Critically important is the fact that rather than being incompatible with what we know of Roman troops Harry was ahead of  the current knowledge of the time. Excavations at Hadrian's wall,staffed by foederati and auxiliaries,later revealed that  the fabrics and equipment seen by Harry were surprisingly accurate. His experience therefore become hard to dismiss as an hallucination or a lie.Bear in mind that although Roman rule in Britain finished about 410 AD the legions left earlier and were replaced by garrison troops,so what Harry saw was consistent with the situation in the late Roman period.During this period the Romans brought substantial numbers of foederati to Britain, and in Yorkshire they included a substantial group of Angles from Schleswig Holstein in North Germany, and Allemani from Germany's more southerly regions. Was a group of these what Harry saw?

Yet the apparitions were not a unique event.On the opposite side  of Britain, the West,the legionary base of Chester, home of the twentieth legion, which still retains its city walls, Roman ghosts   are reported. The cellar of the Golden Eagle public house [bar in American parlance] is the location of a haunting similar to that of the Treasury House, where soldiers march through walls. In the George and Dragon inn the sound of marching feet can be hard, but nothing is seen. It is also said that a Roman soldier still walks the city walls, where he has been occasionally seen, though he is now becoming fainter. Reports of a group  of  soldiers marching through a wall near the site of the now excavated amphitheatre are made, and the earliest of these reports  was in Tudor times in the sixteenth century. 

An isolated report was made in the Manchester Evening News when the Roman fort of Mancunium was discovered during clearance of slum housing. A woman who had lived in the houses wrote that local people claimed to have seen a Roman soldier in their back yards. But this report is uncorroborated and as far as I know nothing has been seen for decades.

However, the appearances of Roman ghosts in more than one place over a period of time indicates that we are dealing with a genuine phenomenon  rather than an hallucination or a lie. People who don't know each other cannot conspire in a lie. 

Hadrian's Wall.

Hadrian's Wall was born of conquest and resistance.Now a much loved national monument, it  was a scene of much violence.Ghosts are associated with it, two in particular standing [or rather floating]  out. 

The area of the wall is famed for its dark night skies, so Stuart Murray, an amateur photographer, went with friends one night to photograph the northern lights. They got a photo, but not what they went for. In the darkness a figure loomed up. At first they thought it a sheep,but there was something not quite right, so they moved to investigate, only to find that soundlessly the figure had disappeared. Take  a look at the photo in this link.

express.co.uk/news/weird/721114/ghost-sighting-roman-soldier-hadrians-wall

It appeared in one camera shot and shows a crested figure with a shield shaped like a legionary scutum, though a little too small for a legionary shield.  But there is an anomaly, for the figure has its shield on the left arm, whereas the Roman legionaries bore it on the right.  The figure is clearly illuminated from some source. A horizon is faintly visible in the background. This figure is probably not faked, but it does not show a Roman legionary, though it might show one of the foederati. As the forts on the wall continued to be homes to garrison troops and their families long after the legions left, the figure could date from the  post-Roman period.

The wall contains forts separated by milecastles, with turrets for four troops in between. The fortifications are said to be sites of paranormal activity. One such site is Milecastle 42, Cawfields, where a soldier appears floating above ground, his feet at the height to which the wall used to reach, sixteen feet to be precise. He has been seen so often that he has been given a name and a legend has developed around him. Read the following link, but don't believe the legend.

archaicwonder.tumblr.com/post/101376263844/haunted-hadrians-wall-milecastle-roman-fort

Arbeia, a partly reconstructed fort in the coastal town of South Shields, has been the scene of sightings of Roman troops. Some sightings have been in the Lookout Inn near the fort.

The forts were places where men lived in fear of attack and often suffered violent deaths from rebellious Britons and marauding Picts. In such places many people died unhappy deaths. Small wonder then that paranormal activity occurs there. I will use their own language, Latin,  "Requiescant in Pace" [Let them rest in peace.]

 

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Updated: 02/19/2020, frankbeswick
 
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frankbeswick on 03/05/2024

No. He is a mystery. Is he even conscious? We do not know. Does he even have a sense of time.

DerdriuMarriner on 03/04/2024

Thank you!

That sounds so interesting and yet so lonely of one Roman ghost in the same space.

Would there be any interpretations as to whether or not he would be looking for someone or something?

frankbeswick on 02/27/2024

There is a vRoman ghost which is often seen in thebsame spot on Hadrian's Wall

DerdriuMarriner on 02/26/2024

Thank you!

That's so interesting about the York Romans as "a kind of stone tape recording."

Might such interpreters of the York Romans have offered other such apparitions as being purposelessly stone-provoked?

frankbeswick on 02/26/2024

Some people think that the York Romans were a kind of stone tape recording, so they might not have a purposes.

DerdriuMarriner on 02/26/2024

Thank you!

These Roman apparitions intrigue me as to their purpose.

Might the aforementioned apparitions be there either to confirm the historic validity of their presence at a certain place at a certain time or to confirm or counter some detail about that presence?

So many things to understand...!

frankbeswick on 02/24/2024

We do not have enough information to answer this question.

DerdriuMarriner on 02/24/2024

Thank you!

My tendency is to niche apparitions into possibly semi-understandable and possibly un-understandable groups.

The former groups might number among their membership bad- and good-oriented apparitions. Both might seem purposeful, correct?

But the un-understandable groups -- of which I offer no examples -- perhaps might show up just because they perceive nothing else at the time, correct?

(But then would anyone or anything from ghostly realms ever embrace no reason for doing something other than they just felt like doing it or scaring or unsettling those they don't know and those they know who survive them?)

frankbeswick on 02/24/2024

Are the apparitions intentionally showing themselves or simply being seen. Could they see Harry? Were they capable of seeing? Unanswered questions.

frankbeswick on 02/24/2024

Are the apparitions intentionally showing themselves or simply being seen. Could they see Harry? Were they capable of seeing? Unanswered questions.


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