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How Scotland was Forced into Union with England

On May Day 1707, a group of politicians huddled in secret to sign the Act of Union, while rioting Scots sought desperately to stop them. Thus Great Britain was born.

It might be argued that Scotland was never exactly 'forced' into doing anything. Its Parliament voted overwhelmingly to enter into a union with England. Its politicians scribbled their names onto the document which made it so. But the kind of people who state such points mistake the will of hand-picked leaders with vested interests, for the opinion of the actual population. Only an estimated 1% of Scots wanted their country to lose independence in 1707. The signatories to the Union with England Act did so behind locked doors, with an angry mob ready to tear them limb from limb. Yet there was nothing Scotland could do about it, once the ink was dry.

A History of Thwarted Attempts for a United Kingdom

Scotland and England are the two largest nations within the British Isles. Endless wars have been fought along that border.

Image: Battle of BannockburnFor much of both countries' history, there have been repeated attempts to unite Scotland and England under a common leader.

Whether it was Roman legions pushing north; early English monarchs with armies, diplomats or marriages; or Stuart royals with wish-lists, those cards had long since been on the table.

Scotland had always resisted with all its might. Even clawing back independence, when it seemed utterly lost.

As late as 1702, William of Orange had proposed a union between Scotland and England. His idea met with a lukewarm reception both sides of the border, so was quietly dropped without another word.

But just four years later, thirty-one Scottish Commissioners rushed down to London to negotiate the terms of precisely that joining of the kingdoms. 

English peers quickly signed into being the Union with Scotland Act. Then, on May 1st 1707, members of the Scottish Parliament signed away their nation's independence with the twin Union with England Act.

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Why was the Act of Union 1707 Acceptable in England?

A royal succession crisis was looming and some English peers saw control over Scotland on the verge of dripping away.

Image: James I and VIMuch of the previous century had been marked by turmoil and war, concerning the crowned heads of England and Scotland. Particularly since those monarchs were one and the same.

In 1603, James VI of Scotland was invited to become James I of England too. He'd moved south with his family and entourage, and promptly styled himself more English than the English.

His son, Charles I, inherited both kingdoms at his coronation. But ended up on an English chopping block in Whitehall, losing his head to the cries of republicanism. This was not an action sanctioned north of the border in Scotland.

Oliver Cromwell's Commonwealth nominally included the Scots too, but they were having none of it. The Protector rode his New Model Army roughshod across the country to impose a measure of martial rule. His annexation dissolved instantly when Charles II - son of the deposed Charles I - regained his English (and Scottish) throne.

Charles's brother, James VII of Scotland and II of England, succeeded him. However, he was too Catholic for English tastes, and was soon sent packing in the 'Glorious Revolution'.

While many Scots could reconcile themselves with this turn of events, the fact remained that yet another of their monarchs had been deposed by the English. The discontent could be sniffily stifled in the largely Presbyterian lowlands, but not so much in the Catholic heartland of the Highlands.

James's Protestant daughter Mary was invited to reign over England and Scotland, along with her Dutch husband, William of Orange.

In Scotland, the reign of William and Mary was marked by the Jacobite struggle to reinstate her father. The Battles of Killiecrankie and Dunkeld, as well as the infamous Glencoe Massacre of 1692, were all part of the kickback against English hegemony in matters of Scottish royalty.

Then, in 1702, Mary's sister Queen Anne took the throne as the last Stuart monarch of Scotland and England. Despite nearly twenty pregnancies, including many live births, she did not have a surviving child.

A succession crisis loomed large on the horizon. England was determined to thrust its own choice of monarch onto its Scottish neighbors, despite the fact that there would no longer be any good reason for the Scots to comply. 

Maintaining control through a joint monarch ruling from the south was the impetus for the English to agree to an Act of Union in Britain.

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Political Sallies in the Run Up to the Act of Union 1707

It was like watching a tennis match. The two parliaments threw legislation like political hand grenades at each other across the border.

Image: Queen AnneIn 1701, the English Parliament had unilaterally passed an Act of Settlement, awarding itself the right to choose any future king or queen of Scotland.

The Scottish Parliament were neither consulted nor knew of it, until after the bill had been given the Royal Assent.  It responded, in 1703, with its own Act of Security, which stated that Scotland chose its own monarchs.

Queen Anne refused to agree to that one. Until the Scots with-held all payment of taxation in 1704, then their queen reluctantly gave in.

By now, the gloves were off and a volley of legislation was passed north and south of the border, each designed for the maximum inconvenience of the other country.

In Scotland, the Wool Act banned English wool from entering the country; the Act Anent Peace and War forbade the English Parliament to embroil Scotland in a war without consulting its Scottish counterpart; and the Wine Act allowed French wine to be imported into Scotland, despite the fact that England had ordered an embargo on French goods.

In England, the Alien Act (1705) promised to make every Scot living in England an enemy alien, with their property and estates confiscated, and sanctions imposed against every major Scottish export south of the border.

They weren't subtle about it. The bill's heading made it clear that this was in retaliation for 'several acts recently passed by the Parliament of Scotland'.

The only way to avoid such punitive restrictions was to agree to negotiations concerning a political - not merely regal - union between England and Scotland. There was a deadline of six months.

In Scotland, the people and peers alike were utterly incensed. Yet a party of Scottish Commissioners was nevertheless scrambled to make the journey to London, in order to negotiate the terms of a Union treaty.

The Scots Fought for the Right to Remain Independent

Scotland's Act of Union with England served as a stark reminder that a nation's fortunes are rarely with its people, but with those sitting at the top of the pile.

Image: Sir John Clerk of PennycuikSir John Clerk of Pennycuik (pictured right) was one of the leading lights of Scotland's union with England. As a commissioner for the Union of the Parliaments, the Scottish MP helped negotiate the terms of the treaty; and he was amply rewarded for his efforts.

Yet even so pro-Union a man as he admitted that they acted 'contrary to the inclinations of at least three-fourths of the Kingdom'.

His parliamentary colleague George Lockhart of Lee was less generous. 'The whole nation appears against the Union,' he observed, though he could rest his conscience on the fact that he was the only Commissioner arguing against unification.

Out amongst the furious crowds thronging the Edinburgh streets, the author Daniel Defoe was paid to act as a spy for the Scottish Parliament. His very first report read, 'A Scots rabble is the worst of its kind, for every Scot in favor there is 99 against.'

Pulpits rang with condemnations of the proposed Union. Fearful of having the Church of England imposed upon its parishes, Scottish clergy were pretty much uniformly against losing Scottish independence.

In Dumfries, where Presbyterianism was strong, several thousand members of Clan Cameron congregated to ritually burn copies of the Articles of Union. (Protests made more ironic by the fact that today it's David Cameron who leads the pro-Union cries in the 2014 Scottish Referendum. But then another of his ancestors signed the Declaration of Arbroath too.)

People and petitions flooded into Edinburgh from all over the country. All ardently anti-union and doing their level best to stop this happening.

It's often supposed that Scotland's merchants were highly in favor of the Union, because of the increased opportunities for trade. This most definitely wasn't the case. The Convention of the Royal Burghs of Scotland - which represented the interests of Scottish trading towns until late into the 20th century - also submitted an anti-union petition.

In fact, not one pro-union petition was received by Parliament throughout those months of negotiation and ratification.

As for the Scottish people who came in person to argue their nation's case, or who demonstrated and rioted in towns and cities across the country, their politicians had no patience for their plea. By late 1706, troops had already been ordered into places like Glasgow and Edinburgh, in an attempt to disperse anti-union crowds and to curb increasingly violent mass public disorder. An English reinforcement army was stationed on the border.

As soon as power passed to the first Parliament of Great Britain, its representatives imposed martial law throughout Scotland and put down the protests by sending in the military.

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Why Did the Scots Sign the Act of Union?

Corruption, bribery, religious concessions and misreading the mood of monarchy all played their parts. In short, most of the Scottish Parliament were 'nobbled'.

Image: James, 4th Duke of HamiltonThe leader of the anti-Union 'Country Party' was James, 4th Duke of Hamilton. In late September 1705, he waited until most of the Scottish members of parliament had gone home for the day, before he made a startling proposal.

Hamilton opined that there were too many feuds and wrangling amongst the Scottish peers. They should allow their queen to decide who would negotiate the terms of union with England.

Queen Anne - who had only briefly been to Scotland once as a child, spoke just about England at her coronation and referred to Scotland during her reign only in terms of safeguarding the security of England - was thoroughly delighted to be asked to nominate the Scottish committee. She filled it with pro-union peers.

Hamilton had utterly misjudged his monarch's 'neutrality' in Scottish affairs.

With the Union debate thus so heavily loaded to favor English interests, it's hardly surprising that the will of the Scottish people barely penetrated parliament. Yet ensuring that the votes came in with the right answer was an enterprise run like a Mafia operation.

Large sums of money passed hands. A decade before, the disastrous Darien Scheme had left many wealthy Scottish families substantially poorer. Suddenly the Bank of England began paying out 'compensation', but with a blatant political bias. An avowed 'yes' vote made a member of parliament eligible to claim.

John Campbell, 2nd Duke of Argyll was given £20,000 from the English treasury, to pass out as 'payments for arrears of salary' to those peers willing to vote for the union. He kept most of it himself, while also accepting many other 'lavish (material) rewards'. In addition, Argyll managed to wrangle two English peerages (Baron Chatham and Earl of Greenwich) for himself, and a Scottish peerage (Lord of Islay) for his younger brother.

Other members of the Scottish Parliament were also able to trade their acquiescence for personal gain and promotions at the court of their queen.

Right up until the eve of the vote, the Duke of Hamilton remained outspoken in his opposition to the union. But on the day, he didn't turn up, citing toothache.

In the aftermath, his cripplingly high debts mysteriously disappeared into the ether. He was also suddenly awarded two English peerages - Duke of Brandon (with estates in Suffolk) and Baron Dutton of Cheshire. Queen Anne knighted him in the Order of the Garter, and the new British Parliament made him ambassador to Paris.

Meanwhile, the Duke of Queensberry - who was credited by the monarch as orchestrating the whole union, with his ability to find the pressure points of peers, and press - was made Duke of Dover. He was awarded £3,000 a year, for the rest of his life, paid for by the English Post Office.

It wasn't all bribery and corruption of the monetary sense though. Some inducements played for hearts and minds.

Presbyterian Kirks fell silent in their opposition after the Act of the Security of the Church in Scotland was placed before the house. Safe-guarded from post-union religious interference, the clergy stopped issuing sermons against it.

On January 16th 1707, the Scottish Parliament ratified the Union with England Act by a majority of just forty-three.  It was formally dissolved on April 28th, ahead of the signing of the Act of Union on May 1st 1707.

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The End of an Auld Sang

Lord Seafield called the loss of Scottish independence 'the end of an auld sang', but it didn't stop him signing the treaty.

Image: Old Moray House PlaqueOn May Day 1707, the streets of Edinburgh were practically impassable. Crowds surged and desperate parties searched high and low for the place where the Act of Union would be signed.

When a group of erstwhile signatories were spotted in a tavern, a cry went up. The men had to flee for their lives, eventually being escorted terrified into the grounds of Moray House.

With the gates padlocked, but dangerously rattling under the weight of the mob outside, Lord George Seafield and his associate peers dared not hide in the house for fear of it being stormed. They huddled in the summerhouse, where they set their names to the reviled document.

Elsewhere, other signatories had equally hair-raising moments, while committing their country to the rule of Westminster.  One set scurried into the coal cellar, beneath a house on the Royal Mile. With the shutters locked behind them and a single candle lighting the gloom, they signed their names.

As Robert Burns put it, nearly a century later in 1792:

... O would, ere I had seen the day
That treason thus could sell us,
My auld grey head had lein in clay
Wi' Bruce and loyal Wallace!
But pith and power, till my last hour,
I'll mak' this declaration,
We're bought and sold for English gold:
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!

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Comments

Joyce FraserSep 17, 2016

Things have changed, Scotland has always been on the cusp but now the mood and politics are changing. A tory landscape does not impress those living in Scotland and being dragged out of the EU is just the icing on the cake.

frankbeswickAug 26, 2016

I believe that there are not distinct nations, but there is one human race that is governed at various levels according to cultural and geographical facts. Thus at one level Scotland is a cultural entity, and therefore should have a Sottish government, but at another Britain is a geographical reality that must have a British government, and above these come Europe, and there should be governments at each level.

J R TomlinAug 26, 2016

Gavin Alexander is correct on Defoe who was a spy for the English Parliament as the quote from him makes quite clear. He said himself that had it been known, he would have been torn limb from limb by the angry Scottish mobs.

Gavin AlexanderMay 30, 2016

I think there's an error in there re Daniel Defoe: he was an active unionist and paid to act as a spy for the English Government, not the Scottish Parliament, as stated in the text.

frankbeswickDec 24, 2015

Obviously when I said that we are all British I did not mean any offence to people from Ireland,who are not British,but readers of these pages will know that I am a true friend of Ireland.

frankbeswickDec 24, 2015

You ought not focus just on one act of treachery, for the upper classes of England and Scotland have their hands steeped in blood and have a record of disrespect for the lower orders and other races. Go through history and reflect on massacres committed by both English and Scots, on each other and sometimes their own people. The massacre of the McDonalds of Eigg was committed by Scots with not an Englishman in sight, to give one example, and the massacre of Glencoe had little if any English involvement. Yet the appalling behaviour of English troops in Scotland in Plantagenet and Tudor times were atrocities of which no Englishman should be proud.Yet Henry the Eighth massacred not only Scots at the rough wooing, but he also slaughtered English Catholics after the pilgrimage of grace. I know that you Scots lament Flodden, but no Englishman celebrates it. What is there to celebrate in bloodshed? Nothing. Both English and Scots shared in the evils of the slave trade, and both nations sent troops who did evil deeds in Ireland.

The burden of my comment is that the two nations should work together to forge a common future in a spirit of friendship and respect. As an Englishman, David, I respect the Scots' need for self-governance, but I want it to be in a strong political union with an England friendly to Scotland and its other neighbours.

I speak as an Englishman who is half Irish, and it is my ability to accept a multiple identity rather than to exclusively define myself as only English that gives me hope that the future of these islands will be when we can all accept that we are all British. We should respect each other's heroes. I respect William Wallace as a great hero, even though he would have been no friend of mine.

DavidMacGilleMhuireDec 24, 2015

Excellent. Thank you. This treachery now in the process of being reversed.

DarrenOct 26, 2015

Scotland's Act of Union with England served as a stark reminder that a nation's fortunes are rarely with its people, but with those sitting at the top of the pile-of course this only applies to the past,because nowadays our leaders are super honest and listen to what the proletariat want. Really bad article with no references only opinions.

Sandy AllanOct 25, 2015

History is written by the winner. Scotland's being subject to this. Far from being a small insignificant country at the edge of Europe, Scotland punched way above her weigh in the political sphere. That was erased from history after the union. Until 1603 England's claim to fame was it was populated by pirates & cutthroats! She had been at war with France for most part of the previous 300 years. The Stuart dynasty under James VI stopped this & peace with all its fiscal benefits began to flood into England!

JoHarringtonMar 4, 2014

That mingling would be fine by me too, if it didn't lead to one dominant party imposing its will upon another. If we could all share our gifts and our heritage, rather than English and England promoted at the expense of all things blatantly Celtic.

I say 'blatantly', because the entire Isles contains that Celtic undercurrent.

Yes, the Culloden thing didn't make me happy either. Some blarb about it: http://www.bubblews.com/news/2486310-protesters-take-to-culloden-battlefield-to-oppose-housing-plans-near-to-the-site

frankbeswickMar 4, 2014

Regional loyalties are strong, as I know. The Beswicks are a very old Lancashire family. My researches indicate that we have been here a long time, since probably before the conquest, but my identity has layers. I am Northern Western English [with much Irish] and British. I reject simplistic identities. I see this complexity as the future of the isles. We all must recognize that we are mingled, and I would like this fact to be recognized politically by Engliosh,Scots and Welsh.

I did not know of the proposal to establish a housing estate nigh unto Culloden. I would not want that, and you may infer my reasons why. Some sites are sacred. And painful.

JoHarringtonMar 3, 2014

Frank - But both of those trends didn't happen holistically. The borders between English counties underwent a strong campaign by the likes of Alfred and Ethelred to merge them into one big country.

There's still resistance though. Try telling a Lancastrian that he sounds like a bloke from Yorkshire. Try suggesting that Black Country folk are practically Brummies. And you take your life in your hands mistaking a Scouser and a Mancunian. Populations might mix, but the regional loyalties remain strong, even as our culture merges into the same.

As for the Scottish migrants into England, you're right. Previously it was the Irish who came in larger numbers. The Poles may just have leapt ahead now. But the jobs were in the south. That says more about where the economical heart of the UK has been positioned than anything else.

Plus large areas of Scotland were turned into a desert after the Clearances etc. That's where the likes of Donald Trump now move in, buying up massive parcels of land to become an absentee landlord. There's a company from London currently trying to develop houses on land that they snapped up next to Culloden.

JoHarringtonMar 3, 2014

Ember - There's your PhD right there, if Scotland does become independent!

frankbeswickMar 2, 2014

There are some overlooked historical trends in these islands. One is that the various nations are blending. Scots have been coming down for work in England for centuries since the union of the crowns, and English settlers look for land further north. It has been said that the most profitable route for an ambitious Scot is the road south, and determined Scots come down and often succeed very well. I did read some years ago that the largest group of immigrants in England are Scots, and vice versa. Whether that is still true I know not. But it was predicted that in five hundred years the difference between Scots and English will have disappeared.

A second trend is for borders and political entities to become less significant and be absorbed into a larger political reality. Take an example. An ex-international border between Northumbria and Mercia runs a mile from my house. Twelve hundred years ago my predecessors in this town would have been on the look out for Mercian raids, now we get on the tram and cross the border that most locals do not know existed, and the two distinct political entities are little more than memories.

EmberMar 2, 2014

What an absolutely fascinating PH case study that'd make if they split. Basically, both countries, at the time of splitting, would have the exact same health care system, then you give it time, watch for changes in policies, and then see how that affects health (as defined by the WHO) of the people.

Frank- I guess that's what I was asking about, are they really better off together? Or is Scotland potentially better off economically having their independence.

JoHarringtonMar 1, 2014

The vote will take place on September 18th 2014.

I did smile when you asked about the healthcare system, but I'm just the same. I have my main concern too, which is the history. To me, the referendum is an historical event, part of an ongoing story, which I can trace back centuries.

I'm much less interested in the political promises being thrown from both sides of the divide, than I am in the historical precedents. Mainly because the former always fade into nothingness, once elections are called, while the latter is verifiable fact. And perhaps the job of historians is to extrapolate the past into projecting the future.

But in answer to your question, the NHS is already protected by the Scottish Parliament. They have the power to decide what happens to it in Scotland, and it will continue as now. (Incidentally, the Scots don't have to pay for prescriptions. The rest of the UK does.)

As for the switchover, that wouldn't actually happen immediately. I think I read somewhere that it would take several months. But many departments, and businesses, have contingency plans in place.

frankbeswickMar 1, 2014

Your question, Ember, "what does independence mean beyond the idea of independence", is well made and hits the nail on the head. Scotland already has its own political structures that are distinct from those in the rest of the UK. If Scotland goes independent, political structures will not change, but the relationship between parts of the island will. But there will have to be a border with passport controls to protect against illegal immigration. UK military bases will have to move south, taking their contribution to the local economy with them. Furthermore, already some firms are considering relocation down to England if independence happens. Scotland can survive independently, but the opposition case is "better together."

I come to the issue from two standpoints. Firstly, I am philosophically anti-nationalist of any kind. So I am at least as opposed to English nationalists as I am to Scots nationalists, and I cannot stand the United Kingdom Independence Party, who want to split us from Europe. Secondly, I love the United Kingdom, all its parts [and the neighbouring country, Ireland.] I don't want a country that I love to break up. In effect, I love mycountry but want it to be part of a much wider network, an extended family that includes the world.

EmberMar 1, 2014

It took me forever to actually read this, but it was interesting. Funny the things I end up learning from some of these posts.

I do wonder what Independence would mean for Scotland beyond the idea of "independence." I see you referenced in the comments that roadwork in London was funded, essentially, by Scotland. But it just makes me wonder how the government might end up getting set up, what the income of the now separate nation will mean for them if the vote goes through, from things such as currency, to establishing their own health care system now that they'll be separate from the NHS (ok, honestly that's the main bit I'm interested in right there), will the new government be able to support it's citizens who rely on welfare on it's own? Or perhaps be better at meeting the needs of citizens than they are via the UK?

I'm not a government person by any means, but this is fascinating to me. Would the switch over be immediate then? That just seems like they'd either have to be incredible prepared beforhand or like it'd be a really intense few months. I wonder what implementing huge portions of government all at once would really look like. The answers to this may be a lot simpler than I'm imagining, but I am curious about it.

The vote is happening this summer, right?

JoHarringtonFeb 27, 2014

You're going to hear no argument from me here on this one. It's always been about the elite versus the poor. Every advance in society was made when the latter pushed back.

It can be frightening how London-centric the British Isles really is. Particularly for the bulk of us who are nowhere near it.

frankbeswickFeb 27, 2014

I agree with the view expressed by John Seymour. He was asked by a group of Irish soldiers why he, an Englishman, was enthusiastically singing Irish rebel songs. He said, "You are singing about what the British government did to you 300 years ago; 300 years ago it was doing the same thing to its own people. " He continued to say that the conflict is not between nations, but between people and masters. English and Scots have attacked each other, but the masters on both sides have exploited the people with no interest in which nationality or race their victims were.

Much of the plundering has been done within nations, and the same for the violence. The highland clearances were a disgrace, but they were done by Scots [abetted by English manufacturers], as was much of the bloodshed in Scotland. But similarly in England the commons were enclosed by English masters against English people.

There is a real problem in the British Isles that the centre of economic gravity of the whole archipelago is the South East of England, but it is economic pressures that cause this to happen. If Scotland breaks free, this pressure will not go away, London will still be economically dominant. I write this as a northern Englishman with kith and kin connections to the Celtic fringes of Wales and the far West of Ireland

JoHarringtonFeb 27, 2014

Unfortunately I'm not an economist (and I'm really bad with maths!), so I can't comment very well on issues of the currency.

All I know is that historically Scotland's wealth has poured into Westminster and it has largely been used to benefit interests south of the border.

17th century foreign policy (as enacted by the Stuarts and the Commonwealth) pushed English interests at the detriment of Scottish - wars with the Dutch, when they were Scotland's main trading partners, and French embargos, when they were also a good trade source for the Scots. The Highland Clearances were carried out by absentee landlords - clan chieftains - who'd taken up estates in England. The oil financed the M25. Just three examples spanning four centuries.

frankbeswickFeb 26, 2014

Let me make my point clear. I am not advocating that the UK hangs on to the pound yet forbids Scotland to do so, but that if independence happens, the currency splits into two, with the UK establishing a new pound [worth exactly the old one] and Scotland getting whatever currency it chooses to establish. If independence happens, the two nations should share the assets and debts fairly according to the principles of justice.

frankbeswickFeb 26, 2014

I don't think that Westminster is bullying when it says that a currency cannot be shared, as the UK does not share its currency with the EC or any other independent state, so why with an independent Scotland? If Scotland leaves the union it becomes an independent state in which we have no interest. Spelling out the consequences of a decision is not bullying. Similarly, asserting one's legitimate interests is not bullying.

l do not think that the UK should veto an independent Scotland's accession, but it is fair to point out that Scotland will have to apply to join the EC, and some states, for example Spain, might use the veto. It is not bullying to point out that if Scotland joins the Schwengen agreement, as it will have to if it joins the EU, there will have to be passport controls at the border.

I think that people north of the border must see that Salmond's threat not to take up Scotland's share of debt has gone down badly in the rest of the UK.

JoHarringtonFeb 26, 2014

Thank you. I did worry that I'd left too much out, and then that I'd included too much. It was a complex time, with a lot going on.

It's almost certainly the historian in me, but I look to the past for clues to the present and future. All I see is centuries of England taking all it possibly can from Scotland. Even more recently, the first oil revenue paid for the M25 around London. How did that help Scotland?

You'll not get the neutral facts until this referendum is over. But history provides the answers.

AlexandriaInghamFeb 26, 2014

Another wonderful post, Jo. I wouldn't have been able to cover the joining of the Union like that at all, so glad that you wrote it. It's a very interesting tale of how the joining happened and it's not surprising that some of the die-hard independence fans have pushed for this vote of independence for so long.

Living in Scotland, we're still to hear all the pros and cons. There's a lot of bullying from Westminster and a lot of talk but no evidence from Holyrood, but nothing concrete to convince many that independence is the way to go.

JoHarringtonFeb 24, 2014

Power has always been invested in those who grasped it. The people sitting at the top of the hierarchy. It's one of the coldest, starkest truths of history, but rarely so horribly illustrated as here.

I remember your country becoming independent. It was both horrifying and exhilarating to see play out on our news night after night. I can't imagine what it must have been like to live through.

TolovajFeb 24, 2014

I am from a country which became independent only few decades ago just to - guess what - lost much of independence very soon after. In both cases people voted as they voted, and got what they voted for, but in both cases politicians made the most important decisions. It will be interesting to see what will happen is Scotland become independent, because it seems there are no independent countries anymore. Yes, this is true for Switzerland as well.
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