Runescape players were already familiar with much of the format, as it employed a similar game-play and investment strategy as Mobilizing Armies. But there was a stark difference.
The Runescape mini-game was funded by items produced within the wider game. War of Legends was funded by real life cash.
The microtransactions within War of Legends are really a question of how patient you are – whether you wait, or whether you want to buy it to speed up the experience.
Adam Tuckwell, Jagex PR Manager
It was all patently an experiment in alternative ways of raising capital, but didn't enjoy nearly the success that Runescape itself has over the years. Then again, it's early days yet and the experience has obviously encouraged further micro-transaction experimentation.
In terms of publishing, War of Legends was certainly seen as the first of many such ventures. This was made clear in the same press release, dated February 8th 2011, in which investment growth was announced via Insight Venture Partners, The Raine Group and Spectrum Equity Investors.
In addition to Jagex's in-house development, the company also acts as a third-party publisher for developers of great content. Jagex recently published its first third-party title, War of Legends, and the company intends to release numerous third-party games throughout the next 12 months.
Press Release: Jagex Limited Receives Growth Investment.
At the time, Runescape players were unaware of a deeper significance in this news release. Insight Venture Partners had only been able to extend its stake in Jagex because Andrew Gower had sold his shares to them.
Jeff Horing now effectively owned all future direction with 55% of the deciding vote in the Jagex boardroom. This also marked the moment when the tide began to turn. More and more micro-transactions were on the table in Runescape itself.
They took the form of pixel katanas available only for those who had paid real world cash for game cards; or in initiatives like Refer a Friend or the Loyalty Points scheme.Those paying to attend RuneFest also acquired items in-game. Pressure was on for free playing gamers, who were ejected from the hiscores, until such time as they bought a subscription.
It was a drip drip of infusions, which found no real expression in outrage until the Squeal of Fortune made it all way too blatant. Even the most unobservant of players were getting the picture now.
But Jagex as a third-party publisher had to be good, hadn't it? Not necessarily, no.
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JoHarringtonJun 24, 2014
Though it's hard to feel smug about seeing the writing on the wall, when one of my favourite games was ruined in the process. :(
JoeyJun 24, 2014
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JoHarringtonAug 30, 2013
Runescape, to me, has always been about escapism. Getting the old crowd back would have been wonderful, but they couldn't be programmed in, as they were always real.
JoHarringtonAug 29, 2013
To me, being able to finish quests more quickly, because you've been handed XP on a plate, is not a recommendation. It lessens the game, and therefore the achievement.
Do we actually need updates in 2007? Compare it to something like Portal, which is an amazing game, but doesn't have updates. Just throwing it out there. You may say that comparing Portal to RS is like comparing an orange to a potato. And that would be fair enough too!
JoHarringtonAug 28, 2013
JoHarringtonAug 28, 2013
And it's lovely to see you back here. There's a big RS discussion happening here too: http://wizzley.com/will-australian-law-makers-spin-trouble-for-jagex/#comments
JoHarringtonMay 12, 2013
Thank you for your synopsis on what happened too. I lived through these times and I saw it exactly as you have described. It's been a long and frustrating year for Runescape players, heart-breaking too, as we witnessed our game twisted, abused and changed out of all recognition.
I'm still there, but I'm in 2007. It feels so much simpler there. You can forget that bad things happened surrounding the main game. I know that's very much a 'head in the sand' approach, utterly unfitting behaviour for one who knows the score. I should be digitally marching with my peers, instead I'm fishing in Catherby with the oldest pixels available. The fact that I'm there and not in EoC is a protest vote in itself, but as watered down as it gets.
No player-base is too big to organize, but the ease in which Jagex is able to divide and conquer makes it a struggle. The fact is that many of the younger players have been seduced by the shiny pretties, but they aren't the ones with the credit cards.
JoHarringtonMay 11, 2013
There are elements within the RS player base which are attempting to organize, but it's not working so well. Probably for all of the reasons that you highlighted. Plus there are so many RS players who don't see the point in trying to save their game. They just move onto the next one and forget about it.
It sounds like you stopped playing RS around the time I was arriving. I started at Christmas 2006, so I missed what I've heard so many times to have been the heyday.
iceyiceyMay 11, 2013
The RS community is too big, too scattered, not to mention the idea of quitting seems useless as everyone knows alot of folks have left, the games lacking so much these days. Also unlike Eve, RS has dozens if not hundreds of servers (Eve operates on 1 server, you cant kill someone then log to another server to hide, your actions reflect permanently upon you). Further breaking up a cohesive response from the bulk of the playerbase. The RS forums themselves are barren, posts are few and far between and the ones that raise powerfull points go unheeded making the very small cohesive group, effectively meaningless anyway.
RS has changed alot since i started in 04. It didnt even seem all that bad when i stopped in 2007. But i have watched it devolve and its not the game it was, not even the hasty attempt to revive "old school" runescape can save it i think. I'm glad i dont have any real meaningfull ties with it anymore, the death of runescape would not shock or dismay me
JoHarringtonJan 8, 2013
JoHarringtonJan 8, 2013
JoHarringtonJan 7, 2013
Your story would be a lovely retrospective.
JoHarringtonJan 6, 2013
JoHarringtonJan 6, 2013
I too will be amazed if there is still a game to talk about this time next year. Jagex would seriously have to pull some rabbits out of the hat to reverse this exodus.
travisJan 1, 2013
JoHarringtonDec 25, 2012
As the author of both articles, I just get them all in one long list, in my dashboard. It's easier for me to keep up everywhere. I should have given you the head's up that we were over here too. Sorry!
JoHarringtonDec 25, 2012
And yes! We started here, then mostly moved over onto the other one, when you all arrived to share in the discussion. Welcome over here too!
JoHarringtonDec 23, 2012
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JoHarringtonDec 19, 2012
Did you see that Mod Mark did a AMAA on Reddit? http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/154dv9/iam_mark_ogilvie_design_director_at_jagex_games/
JoHarringtonDec 19, 2012
Since 2006, Runescape has been a fundamental part of my life. It's the place where I went to in order to shake off the stresses of the day. It's where my friends were. It was an area where hard work or merit meant rewards (quite unlike the real world). In many ways, it was my very own pixel utopia.
Seeing all that bull-dozed in the name of making money for distant, uncaring investors has absolutely broken my heart. It's affirmed to me, whenever I logged in, that I'm not rich enough to be worthy of consideration.
In a real world where so much was lost, Runescape was my oasis of peace. It was my sanctity. Then it was lost too. Am I upset about that? Yes. Absolutely yes.
JoHarringtonDec 19, 2012
I think it's part of the mourning process for us to beat that dead horse. We all lost something pretty big in our lives.
JoHarringtonDec 18, 2012
It's hard not to view it as underlying currents in a much bigger whirlpool.
JoHarringtonDec 12, 2012
I'm looking through the Glassdoor reviews. Even the person who gave Jagex five stars is asking them to stop focusing on money over content.
JoHarringtonDec 12, 2012
JoHarringtonDec 12, 2012
Not the news that I bet you were hoping to hear.
JoHarringtonDec 12, 2012
Let me go and see if I can log in and post.
JoHarringtonDec 8, 2012
I see the comments in one long line anyway, as they come through to an author's message area. I'm easy as to where we chat, as it's all the same to me. I just thought that you'd all like to know of each other's existence too. The options are there! <3
JoHarringtonDec 8, 2012
In their defense, Insight Venture Partners (and Jeff Horing) are only trying to ensure that their name is never found on the internet next to any negative criticism. It's good business sense.
Pity really.
SoutheasterDec 8, 2012
SoutheasterDec 8, 2012
When the action bar is open, any keys you press will activate the ability you set it to. If you press enter you can type a message, but this prevents you from using any abilities. Similarly if you minimise the action bar you can chat without pressing enter but you can't use abilities as well. Talk about a bloody hindrance.
I have no idea about slayer, dungeoneering and PKing clans. I've been F2P since November 9, and besides, my RS life mainly revolved around my RL friends and the two or three in-game friends I happened to meet and chat with while skilling.
As for my forum profile, I think Jeff Horing would do a really good job as an oppressive dictator. Tinkering with my forum records smacks of Orwell's 1984 to me.
JoHarringtonDec 8, 2012
How are PKing clans and slayers coping with this? In fact, how are Dungeoneering teams getting through a dungeon?
And that is very interesting re the IVP thread and your profile. It's the first time that I've heard of whole threads being censored in quite that way. I've got to the point where I'm just shaking my head in sadness, with nothing surprising me anymore.
(Incidentally, there are other RS players chatting over on another article: http://wizzley.com/turning-back-the-clock-with-rs2006/#comments I'm responding in both, so thought you might like the head's up.)
SoutheasterDec 8, 2012
There was a thread recently that asked, "Would you recommend Runescape to your friends?" I replied with the following:
"Six months ago I would have said yes. If a IRL friend, with at least basic knowledge of Runescape as it used to be, asked me now and was considering starting anew, I would tell him the following things:
Bots are rampant, good luck skilling or collecting resources.
Most monsters have a ranged or mage vulnerability, good luck training melee.
Expect to get bombarded by loads of SoF advertisments (p2p advertisments as well if you're f2p)
Most basic functions in the game became more complicated. Have fun clicking 4 times to access the quest menu (as opposed to once), and 5 times to home teleport (as opposed to twice). The "make X" function makes skilling 50% more tedious.
Chatting while in combat is now a chore, you can't use abilities while you chat and you can't chat while using the action bar.
In a nutshell, I would tell my friends, don't bother, at least not until most of the retarded things I mentioned above are fixed or removed. Runescape is too user-unfriendly to play."
On a side note, I realised a few hours earlier that the thread I frequently post IVP-related information on is missing from my forum profile. Initially I thought my thread count exceeded the maximum, but I posted on new threads and the next oldest thread didn't disappear.
Not sure if this is just a bug, or it was deliberately done to prevent others from accessing the thread from my profile.
JoHarringtonDec 7, 2012
I watched my nephew take down an elf yesterday. It was ridiculously fast for his level. It hadn't occurred to me that fighting multiple bosses means packing multiple weapons. Thank you for the insight. It's for all of these reasons that I shouldn't have been writing about it.
Yes, I had noted how unintuitive the interface is now. Why do we have to press enter to even speak? Perhaps because we're not paying for it with extra cash. Call me cynical.
I'll consider that article. Thanks for the idea!
SoutheasterDec 7, 2012
For instance, a unicorn is weak to arrows. Arrows deal 100% damage to it, bolts and thrown weapons deal roughly 90%, magic and melee deal 10%. So if I plan to fight more than one type of monster I have to bring along two sets of equipment. I can't think of any words to describe this, besides calling it "a world of stupid".
Besides EoC and microtransactions, have you taken note of the many annoying updates that gameplay ever more user-unfriendly? Examples include moving the quest tab into the noticeboard and the make-X interface. I spoke to the handful of my RL and in-game friends who still bother with Runescape, and while they are apathetic about SoF and SGS, they agreed that having to click 4 or 5 times just to home teleport or check a quest in progress was utter stupidity on Jagex's part. The thing is that all these interfaces were deliberately made more complicated for god knows what reason, and it doesn't even benefit Jagex financially.
I couldn't say for sure, but I think an article on how Jagex is 'fixing things that ain't broke' would have quite the amusing effect.
JoHarringtonDec 7, 2012
I did strongly consider writing about EoC, but I'm not the right woman for the job. That's why I requested that Wournos/Andro Noir write it instead. She knows what's she's talking about and, at the end of the day, that's better for those coming to read these articles.
Wournos on EoC: http://wizzley.com/evolution-of-combat-seen-from-a-casual-runescape-player-s-point-of-view/
That's in case anyone stumbles onto these comments in future and wonders what we're referring to.
However, I am planning a follow up to the whole IVP and Runescape thing. Unless something major kicks off in the meantime, I'll probably wait until the first anniversary of Squeal of Fortune. Then take a retrospective look at the whole year.
SoutheasterDec 7, 2012
I was actually hoping you would write another RuneScape article, on the Evolution of Combat, or on the Glassdoor reviews. But as looking at your comment on the RS2006 article, I understand why you chose not to. Glad to see that Andro Noir has taken over the reins on this matter.
JoHarringtonDec 7, 2012
Jagex will be pleased to hear that their membership adverts and trials are working! But yes, you already saw the downside for the player yourself.
In moments of weakness, I might have crept back to being a full time player again. But each time I logged in, that goblin was in the middle of my screen. My few moments of each log in were annoying, which set the tone for the (usually short) session. This is why I've backed away. I'd like to say that it was moral high-ground, but it was annoyance.
Thank you very much for your kind words about my articles here and on Sal's; and for helping to get the word out.
SoutheasterDec 7, 2012
I played as F2P casually from 2002 to 2007. I wanted to subscribe, but I was only 13 or 14 then and my parents refused point-blank to fork out money for a computer game.
I returned in May this year, enticed by that free two weeks membership trial. When I saw that trial members received a 50% discount for subscribing, I immediately subscribed. I was bothered by the bots, but since I was mainly questing this didn't affect me much. SoF advertisements annoyed me but didn't hinder my gameplay so I ignored them.
It was when I randomly ventured onto the RSOF in July did I find out about this "capitalist pig" company called Insight Venture Partners, and realise that SoF was part of a much bigger picture.
Great article Jo, your articles on Runescape was informative and covered many things that would have been hidden on the RSOF. I've actually posted some of the information here on the forums so that other players can see the dysfunctional entity that Jagex has become.
JoHarringtonDec 6, 2012
How are you? It's great to see you here.
Ambo100Dec 6, 2012
JoHarringtonNov 25, 2012
All of my moderator friends on RS resigned over SoF. None of them are happy bunnies at all. I guess that for some people the social networking on the forums is better than the same in game.
Still sorry to hear about your family problems. Good luck with it all.
JoHarringtonNov 9, 2012
I do appreciate what you're saying. I think that all that can be said about Squeal of Fortune is already out there. The next great wave is, and will be, Evolution of Combat. Then whatever else is cooked up by ignorant decision makers in the Jagex board room.
Don't let any of this get you down. All things have their season and purpose. Runescape just lost its own place in your life; but something will come in to fill the void. The world remains fundamentally a beautiful place, in which terrible things happen, but nevertheless a place of wonders. Stay beautiful yourself.
And it's been a pleasure chatting with you, even if the subject has been a frustrating one. Good luck on your life's next levels. <3
JoHarringtonNov 8, 2012
Since 2008, it's been of a totally different order. Really quite scary and infuriating, insofar as you can see that it was capitalists, like Insight Venture Partners, who caused it.
Economies fall and rise, bubbles form and burst, new economies emerge. These are the lessons of history. So I think that we will see days like that again, but in something different and probably led by China.
Back to Runescape, I can see why Jagex want us more immersed into their game. They don't want to be the side-billing, while people watch television, read guides and do their homework. They want to be the main event. But that's not necessarily what the players want. Runescape is what made those side things bearable, now it's gone and the anger from that is going to backfire onto Jagex too.
I can also accept that so many variations of things means that the quality control team can't even conceive of everything, let alone test it. But not on the big things; and certainly not on things that are found and then remain in the game time and time again.
JoHarringtonNov 8, 2012
Prifddinas and all of the names in Tirannwn are in the Welsh language. Some quite amusingly so. Lletya, for example, is lodge in Welsh, and its gardener is called Amaethwr (gardener in Welsh).
I'm right there with you in wanting the dead areas concluded, with Prifddinas being chief amongst them, UNLESS it turns out to be the Strip. In which case, I'll keep my dreams.
That thing about costumes hits close to home. I've spent years gradually working towards filling my POH costume room. I did Temple Trekking and Castle Wars etc for days/weeks/months, whatever it took to complete the costume. Then felt a sense of achievement stashing it in my wardrobe. That's gone. Real world money and promotions took over.
You're not alone in being banned from the forums for negativity. It's one of the more insidious recent developments, but the further they go, the more complaints, the more people that they are going to have to ban.
JoHarringtonNov 8, 2012
Hear, hear re the recession and the economy. It wasn't this bad in the '90s and we moaned a lot then. It's the sheer length of this one that's crippling. Friends of mine have just had to close down one of their shops, because they can't keep two going. It's awful.
Can you see why I'm reluctant to let go of my cheaper membership? Despite all pointing to the fact that I should just walk away.
There is going to be more button mashing with EoC. Someone I know just cancelled RS because they said that combat will no longer be something that you can do on the side, ie homework on half the screen, slayer task in the other. I've never been a big one for combat, so I'm finding it hard to judge.
I know there's a quality control team, because I've seen them at work. But I do agree that the largest part of beta testing comes with letting it go live. EoC has been tested live in beta for weeks though, yet I'm hearing reports of how buggy it is.
I've only tested it briefly in the Duel Arena, so I'm not a good direct source of information here.
I can just nod sadly in agreement with you at the last part.
JoHarringtonNov 8, 2012
You can't believe the horror in which I stared at the screen at your vision of Prifddinas. I've had so much hope and expectation about this place. It's Welsh! I understand all of the in-jokes in the NPC and place-names! And it looks like it could be so pretty.
And yes, that vision of a Las Vegas Strip just feels way too likely. Superimposing the two just has my heart sinking in realisation of such likelihood. -.- Let's hope that our speculation is actually too cynical and pessimistic this time. Though history has borne us out in the past.
Agreed in all that you said about Ornate Katana et al. The completitionists haven't got a chance.
We bother because the disappointment has run too deep. We have to vent somewhere.
JoHarringtonNov 7, 2012
The cheapness of my membership, compared to everyone else, is another pressure for me not to let it drop. I don't know how long that will work. Yet another friend left RS today, cancelling his membership over the untimely release of Evolution of Combat. It's buggy as Hell, but it's going live on November 20th.
Will that change the game in ways which no longer make it Runescape?
The fact that Runescape would run on anything was its charm. That's how I got into it too, because nothing else would run on my aged PC.
I was having that conversation with my friend, re EoC, earlier about whether JMods actually play the game. My money is on, 'No'. At least not in the case of the decision makers.
I think that Tears of Guthix on its own wouldn't have been a bad thing. But it's simply one more in a whole endemic policy of giving XP away. I just to religiously do my ToG every week. But now it's just not that special.
JoHarringtonNov 7, 2012
You are always welcome in Canting. We're the most laid-back clan in Gielinor. Canting means 'chatting' and that's what we did/do. All go about our own business, while having conversations in the chat channel.
The citadel was quite strange to superimpose over the top of that. We initially struggled, but those who stayed are now quite focused on it. It looks great. But it introduced politics into the clan for the first time and I'm not convinced the benefits outweighed the damage.
I did face-palm when I heard about Tears of Guthix. It really is 'how much xp can we give you for laziness' these days. Where's the challenge, the fun and the pure gaming in getting everything on a plate? There's no achievement at the other end, and those who did it the normal way have no meaningful reward for their hard work.
I've been excited for years to know what Prifddinas is going to look like. (It's Welsh by the way. It means Capital City. Hence the old joke in our clan that Prifddinas will look like Cardiff!) But yes, it certainly seems abandoned. In a way, I'm glad, because I hate to think what it's going to look like in these days of aggressive monetizing. Las Vegas's Strip probably.
Maxing is hardly an accomplishment, but completing everything is now impossible. If you haven't paid for every limited edition along the way, then you cannot complete the game.
JoHarringtonNov 6, 2012
I'm so wavering on cancelling membership. As so many of my friends left, they gave me their stuff. I refused to call it a present, as they did, and simply held it instead. My bank is chock full of other people's things. If I leave and they came back, they couldn't access it.
But that's just a secondary reason. The first is my clan. I'm the leader. I'm needed for those who stayed, so I can fix things in the citadel et al.
However, I'm hardly on! It's one of those horrible no man's land situations, where I really should just stop sitting on the fence and follow my conscience out of the door.
Your suggestions sound about right to me too. I'd add in stopping with all of the freebies. I shouldn't get 1m xp just for logging on. That's a game breaker right there. I'm not sure that anything could be done to fix the mess. It's too entrenched and there's no way they could roll back to April.
It might be better to simply draw a line in the sand and say, 'Yeah, it's messed up, but from now on we're going back to original principles.' Those who lived through 2012 get to keep their bonuses earned then, which isn't fair, but is the only realistic route.
You do make a great point about the variance. I used to love that about Runescape. No two people were playing the same game, as we used the variety of game-play options to choose our own route. Today it's all being funneled into the same areas. For example all Runecrafters are in Runespan.
JoHarringtonNov 5, 2012
As for Runescape, is it really quantity? I see a lot of patch notes and graphical reworkings, but even the patch notes seem less compared to 2006. There are enough bugs that it can't be the fact of having fixed them. Even the patch notes used to be exciting back then. They'd be little conveniences that would enhance the game in tiny ways.
Or perhaps I'm being a little too rose-tinted about that too. I might wait until the end of the year, then do a proper comparison between 2006 and 2012. I'm confident that there won't be much redemption between now and the end of December, but you never know.
I've got into Terraria on Steam. It has just the right level of simplicity, that it almost feels like the original RS.2.
In an ideal world, how could Jagex save their game now? Removing SoF would be the obvious start, but what next? There is a lot which inserting it broke, especially in term of XP. If they took it out now, issued an apology and asked us to give them another chance, do you think that could even work?
JoHarringtonNov 5, 2012
I've got to the point of 'oh great! Caj has responded!' Like you, I'm all for a good conversation, particularly on-line, where I don't have to rely on hearing.
Last night, my friend was going through all of the RS updates in 2012, and comparing them month by month with 2006. It all made such a depressing litany. Going through those updates made me realize why 2006 has such a reputation as a golden year. It's not us being nostalgic and rose-tinted. There really was a bonanza of up-dates.
This year, it was a case of 'hunt through and try to find one not related to micro-transactions'. There has been so little of substance.
JoHarringtonNov 3, 2012
JoHarringtonNov 3, 2012
Hopefully there is a disconnect between how people play the game and how they expect real life to be. If there isn't, then those people are going to get a real rude awakening.
JoHarringtonNov 2, 2012
JoHarringtonNov 2, 2012
Within ten minutes, there was a PM - Sold it all!
It took me months to work out that she'd just bought it all herself to stop me whining. LOL Happy days.
Having said that, I really don't begrudge the Grand Exchange. It has helped in so many different ways. I'd be the first one moaning if it was taken out now.
I also recall fishing up Catheby, when an aggressive random turned up. Dozens of people in the same spot would be nervously trying to work out who was the one. The shriek when you noticed your XP going down was hilarious. I so miss RS from about 2006-2007. It truly was magical then.
You know, you've just explained a years old mystery to me. I never could work out why those players wore rune, while casting wind strike. I just figured it was a combat thing that I was too noobish to determine. It turns out that I was right!
They were there for weeks? Wow! I didn't know that.
But yes, sadly, I'm convinced that many Jagex staff do not play the game. Mark Gerhard certainly doesn't.
JoHarringtonNov 2, 2012
It's the Runecrafters (myself included) who I feel most sorry for in all of this. The whole point of respecting a RC cloak was that you knew the sheer effort that had gone into achieving it.
Yes, I know what you mean about being rewarded for doing nothing. I logged in after about 25 days not going near it. I received a lamp worth 1m xp.
JoHarringtonNov 2, 2012
I could be argued that the original AFK skilling was prompted by players though. For example, the combat training inherent in auto-retaliate on that spider in Lumby basement, before you hit a certain level. Even so, that was players being ingenious. It wasn't Jagex making it endemic.
I doubt very much that the decision makers at Jagex play the game. When they spoke at Runefest, you'd see blankness over some of the most fundamental of things that players should know. It confirmed my suspicions then. But you can see it in the decisions that have been made too.
JoHarringtonNov 2, 2012
You've hit the nail on the head with the AFKable skills (yes, there is a profusion of them right now). In the old days, there was a sense of achievement in the stamina. If you'd gained your levels at RC altars, then everyone knew what feats of endurance that had engendered. There was respect for that.
Now people can waltz in and do it so much more quickly, with minimum effort, as you said. I don't think that we're being Luddites to ask who can respect that.
But it does feel like a kick in the teeth for all who went before. Instead of 'wow, you spent how many hours at ZMI', now it's 'Hahahahaha! Noobs! You wasted all of that time at ZMI and now I can just walk in and do it at Runespan. Hahahahaha!'
JoHarringtonNov 2, 2012
Runecrafting is ridiculously easy now. Runespan made it so that you can get vast quantities of RC XP without leaving an area, nor putting up gp, in a very short space in time. So yes, I'm as depressed about it as you are. I quite miss those ZMI runs. I know that I could still do them, but it feels inefficient and wrong, now that Runespan is here.
Awww, I wish that we'd known about you at Dungeoneering. We specialized in just having fun doing it, regardless of level. We'd have picked you up. Though whether you'd want us is the big question. We took forever over a dungeon!
JoHarringtonNov 2, 2012
A lot of 99s as well. I had a real thing about trying to keep my stats as level as possible. My Construction has been close to 99 for months! I'm quite proud of the fact that, after all this time, I never did manage to get one. LOL
JoHarringtonNov 1, 2012
JoHarringtonNov 1, 2012
I had a mortgage at the time! My friends were so determined that I should have a gilded altar in my POH that they loaned me money to buy supplies to get my Construction levels. I owed 4m gp all told, spread around various people. That's nothing now. I could earn it ridiculously quickly, as I have the levels to do so. But back then, getting 1m was hard work.
I'd just got the levels and put the altar in, on the understanding that I'd slowly pay people back over time, when free trade got removed. I suddenly had a month in which to make 4m. It was horrible! It leeched the fun right out of the game, as I had to grind really boring tasks to do it as quickly as I could. I managed the repayments though. :)
But this all goes to explain why I wasn't paying too much attention to the bigger picture. I'd only been playing for a year! And I'd never been a PKer. All that really registered there was that my PKing friends were upset and leaving en masse.
As for your comments about IVP and Jeff Horing, I'm totally in agreement. That is my impression too.
JoHarringtonNov 1, 2012
Remember that the Wild was also removed. A lot of PKers went with it.
Have you clicked on the 'rising trends' tab? What people are looking for now are the glory days. Topping the list is 'private servers'. It's folk after things like RS2006. In short, people have lost faith in Jagex not ruining the game, so are primarily searching for someone else to fill the void.
How I read it isn't that there's a loss of interest in Runescape per se. There's a loss of interest in Runescape as it is now, or, as you said, as it's been since December 2007. I remember that month. It was heart-breaking.
And yes, that was the point of this article. It was to help with speculation about where IVP are taking Jagex, based on the precedents of their other companies.
JoHarringtonNov 1, 2012
JoHarringtonNov 1, 2012
But Runescape was made a success by heading in totally the opposite direction to anything else; AND away from what it's doing now. Those in charge no longer seem to be the ones willing to be different.
Might I suggest genealogy as a new hobby? It's kept me entertained this week (and on and off for the past about twenty-five years) http://wizzley.com/trace-family-history/ This is real life questing at its finest! And, unless you're buying software, folders or subscriptions to family history sites, it won't cost you anything.
Almost as good as gaming.
JoHarringtonOct 31, 2012
Jagex totally cancelled Runefest because of SoF. They know it, we know it. Simple as that. But their ostrich heads in the sand have made it all go away.
I didn't realize that we'd sailed past the Golden Joystick Awards time! So much fuss about that in the past and not a murmur this year.
JoHarringtonOct 31, 2012
That then becomes bull-headedness. Stubbornly refusing to admit that they were wrong, while the bad publicity builds.
As for threats, if you did make them to me, we'd have to settle it like civilized people. In the Wild or in Burthorpe Games Room. :p
JoHarringtonOct 31, 2012
Jagex know precisely what would happen if they allowed unmoderated comments, on a forum not bound by RSOF rules. We would severely let rip and that wouldn't be good for business.
But they can't silence the rest of the internet.
JoHarringtonOct 30, 2012
But yes, I've had the same impression as you about games these days. I just thought that I was maybe turning into one of those grumpy, old players, who say things like, "When I was a kid, we had to walk barefoot in the snow through Lumbridge, up-hill both ways. You kids don't know you're born..." Still there's credence in it. It's all about more and more money before the industry implodes.
I nearly cried with relief when I saw RS2006. It really was like going back in time. I know that a lot of people don't agree with me on that one. I haven't actually played it, but it's enough to know that it's there and I could. It's like finding a time machine to happier times.
I think that Jagex reckon that if they repeat their 'everything is alright' thing often enough, it will actually be true.
The interface is awful now! It took me forever to find the quest tab the other day! Then it wouldn't stay active. The quest tab has moved deep inside the notice board tab. I think that they removed it to be annoying or because they haven't got a freaking clue anymore.
When you have to go three clicks just to get past the micro-transactions onto something useful, you know that you're under an onslaught of highly aggressive marketing.
JoHarringtonOct 29, 2012
The reason that I fell in love with Runescape in the first place was that it was a self-contained world, where your merit counted. Nothing was polluted by the size of your wallet outside the game itself. It's the loss of that, I think, has upset and disappointed me the most.
If there's no way to be a completitionist any more, then why bother trying? I've got no motivation to fill those spaces in my POH costume room, because I know that they can never all be filled.
The best Halloween holiday prizes are on SoF. I stood there in my righteous robes and words failed me. It had nothing at all to do with the festival. I'm totally with you on the whole flaming skull/quest issue.
I was much happier in the old days too, simply because I could finish this game. Now there's no way of doing it. The whole landscape is cluttered with special promotions. Garish, ugly and breaking game-play completely.
JoHarringtonOct 29, 2012
Yes, you would think there would be valuable for money. But no, we're paying for the 'privilege' of being asked to pay more. I used to want to get every emote and fill every spot in my POV costume room. I can't do that without buying extras, and I'm not about to do that. It's very disappointing.
Your Dad sounds wonderful, and very wise.
I've also found Glassdoor to be very illuminating. Someone actually said in there that fewer employees play the game itself than management realize. They've pretty much all said that management haven't a clue how to make this game.
JoHarringtonOct 28, 2012
I might not have your experience (I turned up in 2006), but I've been there long enough to have watched the sudden plummet. I can't say much more than, 'I agree wholeheartedly.'
I wish we could have it back as it was.
JoHarringtonOct 28, 2012
And no, the silence at the lag (or, indeed, the silence at anything) is no surprise to any of us. It's one of the more irritating policies of Jagex.
Wow! Love the eloquence of that player.
Don't even get me started on the Halloween event. It's so lack-lustre! I logged on for the first time in ages to actually do it and I was gob-smacked. There's no thought whatsoever gone into it. It's basically copied and pasted from the Easter event, just with a few items changes. The reward has sod all to do with Halloween.
It's so obvious that they've gone, 'Oh dear, we're supposed to do events every holiday, as it's a tradition. Erk, just shove in any old crap. If it's not a micro-transaction, it's not worth anything but the bare minimum of our time.' What are we even paying membership for these days?
And I'm still annoyed at what you told me about F2P not getting the full amount. I'm going to stop ranting now, before I start swearing.
JoHarringtonOct 28, 2012
The whole thing read like a politician determined not to see his nose in front of his face. Just about everyone in my circles read it with utter disdain.
JoHarringtonOct 27, 2012
Please remind me what he said. I've had a couple of jars tonight.
CajOct 27, 2012
Your article here sounds much more professional than the stuff Jagex comes out with.
Did you read what Mark Gerhard said on 'Buyable Spins' back in May?
JoHarringtonOct 27, 2012
CajOct 27, 2012
I don't like to use 'hate' all too much, since hate is essentially a strong word when compared to dislike. Though I guess there's no harm done in me saying so, since Runescape is showing signs of irreversed decline.
I hate the people in charge of Jagex. I hate Mark Gerhard. I hate Insight Venture Partners. There, I said it.
JoHarringtonOct 26, 2012
Incidentally, you just posted the 100th comment on this article. Thank you very much for that.
CajOct 26, 2012
There's a better solution. Just leave and find something better to do with your time.
I don't understand the logic of some Runescape players.
JoHarringtonOct 25, 2012
CajOct 25, 2012
JoHarringtonOct 25, 2012
i have no idea how many JMods have left over the past year, but it seems to be a lot. Every time you look, someone else has gone. So many names that we've been used to over the years have suddenly disappeared.
Fargrist is here! http://wizzley.com/authors/Fargy/ He hasn't posted anything yet, but he is here. And yes, any conversation with him is very engaging.
Jiblix's YouTube video was shocking and enlightening. It was something which needed to be out there. Jagex simply silence anyone with a big enough audience, who criticize them. My friends and I are slightly amazed that I can still log in.
I hated it when F2P got pulled out of the hiscores. I really lost my trust in Mark Gerhard around that time, though it had wavered somewhat before.
It may have made corporate sense, but I thought that Andrew Gower was a good Christian man. Seems that he ended up not bothering to see if he could pass through the eye of a needle.
CajOct 25, 2012
Your comment raises a question. Just exactly how many Jagex Moderators have left the company over the past year?
Regarding Fargrist, I actually talked straight to him in his topic 'Tick Tock Jagex' before his tragic ban from the forums. He was very knowledgeable in what he was saying and I find it to be a terrible shame that he is no longer able to comment. Which makes my stance all the more harder to stand on because I gave him elaborate responses, in which he replied to me directly. Exchanging conversation, so to speak.
But this also brings about past experiences that include Forum Moderators getting unfair punishment from the Jagex Moderators. Jiblix as you recall, was banned from the forums for revealing advertisement bots in virtually all the Free-to-Play worlds. It seems a bit strange to think about this because it happened well before Squeal of Fortune came out. Jiblix also happened to be a Forum Moderator, and with his ban came the stripping of his title.
Ken Genosis, a former F2P Forum Moderator well known for his fair treatment of others, was stripped of his title for explaining his disgust for the removal of F2P from the Hiscores. Again, another decision on Jagex's part that raises some questions.
Selling out is only courtesy of the corporate world, right?
JoHarringtonOct 25, 2012
Mod Poppy for one. She HAD (and retains) the trust of the player base. Trust in Jagex is something which is now badly lacking, after all of the U-turns and smashing tradition with cyber sledgehammers.
Then there's what happened to Vivathia: http://runescape.salmoneus.net/forums/blog/617/entry-69704-vivathias-say/ I would also include what happened to Fargrist, but at least you can see why there. The reason is disturbing as Hell, but there is a reason. Vivathia got permanently banned by association.
I didn't know that F2P can't get the full Halloween event reward. That's a real face-palm moment and yet another break with tradition. Mark Gerhard has made no secret of the fact that he hates the F2P element. This is just one more example.
Oh! Andrew! Why did you sell us out?!
CajOct 25, 2012
I can't say it's every single person on the new lot. But the people making the decisions are most certainly the people who don't know their arses from their elbows.
The reviews on Glassdoor state about miscommunication between development teams and upper management. I'm fairly confident that there are still some talented people working at Jagex, but so far have been unable to hone their skills. It's likely the direction is pointing towards senior managers and other staff who hold a higher position in the company.
About a month after you posted this article, I quickly noticed that the micro-transaction updates always come out on time. Other things, such as Evolution of Combat, are well behind schedule.
I must even state that this year's Halloween event is nothing more than a desperate attempt for cash. Free-to-Players can only obtain the cape out of the full set. Getting the rest of the items requires a membership and a payment to Solomon's General Store.
Weren't holidays supposed to be targeted to everyone, regardless of membership status?
I question why Jagex still keeps their title 'The No. 1 Free Online Multiplayer Game', despite their actions doing the opposite of what is to be expected.
JoHarringtonOct 25, 2012
I thought of Zezima. It never occurred to me that Zarfot was in the same boat, but of course he was. You'd think that Jagex would have got the message by now. It is so much a matter of trust now. None of us always agreed with Andrew Gower, but we did believe that he had the best interests of the game at heart.
Not this new lot. They don't know their arses from their elbows.
It's a shame that you've met some gits on the forums so far. It's not you. You state your case very eloquently here; and with friendliness too.
CajOct 25, 2012
That wasn't even debating, it was sheer insulting. I just don't understand it.
Read the same story regarding S_U__O__M_I. His story seems to draw comparisons to that of Zezima and Zarfot, both of which were number 1 rank and both who posted their stories.
The general theme here is they don't particularly enjoy the game that much, and have gradually lost trust in Jagex. Other like-minded players who are also high rank share the same outcome.
Most of the time I enjoy the Internet. Places like Youtube, Wikipedia, and Google have helped me learn more about the world we live in. When it comes to forums, somehow I tend to be on the short side of the stick.
JoHarringtonOct 24, 2012
I'm sorry that you've had a backlash like that. Those are precisely the sort of people Jagex wants playing not. Those who don't care about the game, they just want to buy their way to pseudo-success.
Indeed, re the internet. I love the internet so much, as it's opened the world up for me (http://wizzley.com/deaf-equality-online/). But I hate the way that some people use that anonymity to troll.
CajOct 24, 2012
Some of them are saying "...Jagex needs to make money", others are saying 'it's either the bots or the micro-transactions. Your choice."
Jesus Christ, why is it I get stomped upon simply for stating an opinion countless others have already said? One guy even felt that the reviews given on Glassdoor aren't real.
I don't know why I even bother arguing with these people. It makes sense though that most of them are around 13-25 years of age with a seemingly 'average' account. I'm sure some of them are buying up spins and don't even care about the consequences.
That's the Internet for you. Being anomymous while shooting down people you don't know because you feel superior behind a computer screen.
JoHarringtonOct 21, 2012
Our feelings in this appear to be firmly mirrored by the rank and file inside Jagex Towers. Have you read the employee reviews of Jagex on Glassdoor? http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Jagex-Reviews-E322592.htm It's all about management being a kind of old school tie thing, and none of them having a clue how to make a game. While those on the shop floor are not being listened to.
It sounds like a thoroughly depressing place to work at the moment.
CajOct 21, 2012
The only people at Jagex whom I consider to be 'evil' are the ones calling the shots. The people at the top of the company.
Blizzard is falling under the same symptoms. I really enjoyed the first two Diablo titles, and was eagerly awaiting the third title. Instead, what I got was an experience that became one of the biggest disappointments in gaming.
The Diablo forums are infested with angry people and frustrated gamers who are simply asking Blizzard to listen in to them. It's been months already, and still Diablo III continues to be a mind-numbing experience. Poor planning combined with a Real Money Auction House don't make a great game.
Even sadder was when I saw Diablo III receiving an overall rating of two out of a five stars at Amazon.com. After 2,889 reviews.
While Blizzard and Jagex are two different companies, I can't help but feel that their ultimate motives share some similarities.
I want to think that Mists of Pandaria was an expansion that helped bring in new life into World of Warcraft, but all it practically is really is a rehash of the same 'bad' material I come to know so well in that game.
It's difficult these days to find a good MMO anymore. I think that's why a lot of people migrated to Runescape, because Jagex held a set of rules that were to ensure that nobody was going to get away with cheating (and gold farming). At least not for long.
Running out of options when it comes to finding a decent MMORPG.
JoHarringtonOct 19, 2012
I would add that it's not just mainstream players, but the criminal elements too. Those who auto-type gold farm sites or use bots to gain an in-game advantage. There's disdain shown to those who would simply play the game, not just from these people but from the devs. too.
I don't think that everyone at Jagex is evil. But I think that the decision-making this year is most certainly tearing down the fabric of the game, thus losing some of their best (and mature) players.
CajOct 19, 2012
===
"I'm a relatively new player, but I have had lots of experience in other MMOs.
I'll say this much.
1. When a game is first released, the first few generations of players are generally very high quality. They attempt to learn the game mechanics properly, are willing to tolerate bugs from devs, and are quite nice, because as was pointed out, your behavior did mean something.
2. Generally, as a game becomes more popular, the quality of player declines. Part of this is facilitated by the developers who realize that they can make much more money from mainstream players rather than hardcore nerds.
3. As more mainstream players get attracted, the player quality declines. These appear to be the common characteristics:
3a. They insist that they are good. Anyone worse than them is a "noob". Anybody better is a player with "no life".
3b. They blame you for all failures and claim credit for all successes.
3c. Every time a failure happens, it is never their fault.
3d. They use vulgar language, both in chat and on any voice program.
3e. They use anonymity to do things they would never do in real life.
3f. Unique to this game is how the loot works. There are also quite a few loot ninjas who, given how the system of loot works, seem to be able to get away with it quite well.
All of this is well documented, and I think, to most people who read this, self-evident.
When the internet was a relatively 'geeky' thing, there were very few trolls and pretty much no flame wars. Today though, I have a hard time finding a forum without flame wars and trolls - it's a consequence of the internet becoming popular."
===
This really rings true to what you just said about people thinking you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Thus, that's the kind of thing that starts flame wars. Soon the debates themselves turn into senseless, pointless arguments.
JoHarringtonOct 15, 2012
I'm really bad at fighting bosses. I've gone up against Jad 4 or 5 times and he's wiped me out each time. Now I've logged in and got those instant kill darts. I could go and get my fire cape, but it does feel like cheating.
I wandered through Ardy the other day and picked up my free pure ess., as I put it into my bank, it occurred to me that I don't actually need it. Runespan. I bet the ZMI altar is so empty now.
I remember the day it came out. A 99 Runecrafter just sounded so depressed. He'd done it the hard way and now people were just whistling through the levels, devaluating his cloak.
It really is all quite awful, when you see the descent of such a charming game. And where are they going with this now? They can't compete with the WoWs of this world, and definitely can't tackle games like Skyrim. If you have to pay to get the rewards, you might as well go for one that's high quality.
CajOct 15, 2012
Don't know what's the deal, but I'll check it out later.
As for the lamps, I would of done the exact same thing as your friend did.
Monsters that are considered 'bosses' like the King Black Dragon, Tormented demons, General Graardor, and Nex should be a challenge to beat. They should be tough like Nomad is in Nomad's Requiem, if not tougher. Instead, I hear of maxed players who have little to no problem in beating the King Black Dragon. Tormented demons and General Graardor fall under the same category. Even the Spirit Beast isn't all too difficult for some players. Which leaves only Nex.
There's other areas of the game that have been made easier besides the boss fights (although the boss fights are more of a result of players gaining weaponry like Chaotics and supplies like potion flasks). The skills themselves have been made too easy.
Look at Choking Ivy, Bonfires and Runespan for instance. They made the skills they are geared towards to be made too easy and too AFKable.
Especially for Runecrafting, which was once one of the most tedious and longest 99s to obtain. Now it can be done like Fletching.
Now Jagex has made it to where a certain number of cosmetics and other 'fancy' items only obtainable through the game card promotions. I think this whole problem started with Wintumber trees, but it started to become apparent with Ornate Katanas. Now you got 'Flaming Skulls', 'Fish Masks' and all these other items that can no longer be obtained.
You miss out on them, tough luck.
Somewhere along the line, Jagex changed the game from a 'win with in game effort' to a 'pay to win formula', while offering items only made available through promotions. It's a terrible way to force members to pay a certain method while other members miss out.
Those who pay by credit cards can't get some of these offers. Those who pay by game card get the extra rewards. How can anyone justify this as being fair?
JoHarringtonOct 14, 2012
I know, re the lamps. One of my friends - who quit as soon as SoF came in - heard about my lamps and hit the roof. He said that was the reason that he was leaving, because nothing is a challenge anymore.
I actually did log in the other day. I went to put stuff in my toy box in my POH. There were so many items blank in there, which I could never get because they come from various game card promotions. It's disheartening. I used to make it a challenge to get every outfit, hence spending days Temple Trekking or the like. It's not worth it now. You can't win with in game effort alone.
CajOct 14, 2012
...and yeah, the experience lamps? That's probably good enough reason why a lot of long-time players have quit.
JoHarringtonOct 13, 2012
I logged in the other day and just had a 700k xp lamp sitting in my bag, plus some Fate cards. It took me a while to check them out, because of all the SoF spam and then a random. The time before that, I'd got a 350k xp lamp just sitting there. I shouldn't be rewarded for not logging in for over a month!
What's fun about being given everything on a plate?
CajOct 13, 2012
That kind of body movement and frequent use of 'blushing' often tells me that someone is hiding something. In this case, Mark Gerhard.
Reminds me of when police troopers pull over drivers that blush, shift, and have their eyes avoid the direct eyesight of the trooper. That often means that those drivers are hiding something.
Sometimes, they're hiding substances that they're not supposed to be selling on the streets. Which results then is an arrest, with charges brought against them.
While only an example, this is the kind of thing that really frustrates me when high ranked business officials start to manipulate what they're supposed to say. I look at companies like Hewlett Packard and Sears and think, why are they doing a poor job? Then I can just look at the management and the people at the top of the ladder and conclude, they're a part of the problem.
There's so many questions left unanswered.
The recent updates now are comprised of this:
New Solomon pay to wear hairstyles
Squeal of Fortune update
New Solomon dwarven outfit
Another game card promotion
(Is it all that hard to see what hell this game is heading towards?)
And now, another Bonus weekend--AFTER they stated they would eliminate all future bonus weekends. Why am I surprised by this? I mean yeah, they stated that due to all the new bonus xp items, there was no need to have these weekends anymore. But, here we have another. What's worse is they choose to contaminate F2P with it. It's really rather vile.
JoHarringtonOct 12, 2012
CajOct 12, 2012
Unfortunately I had to work right when Jagex held the Live Stream. I think Mark Gerhard's attitude, according to how you described his language, pretty much fits into the way he treated us in regards to his official response one month after the release of 'Buyable Spins'.
Usually when someone says he used defensive body language, that means he was being brash, rude, insulting, swearing, and pointing the finger on others.
If you don't mind me asking, what was his attitude on the live stream?
Maybe he's actually part of the problem.
I'll be sure to look into Wizzley when I can.
JoHarringtonOct 6, 2012
Did you see him on the Livestream? I've never seen such defensive body language, from him or Daniel Clough. They do know that this isn't popular. Hence Mark Gerhard seeming to have aged very quickly over the past few months.
I'm currently researching another article related to SoF. It'll be out over the next few weeks, if not days.
In the background of Wizzley, you get stats to see how many people have read your articles and the words that they searched to find them. Some of the ones for my Runescape ones are extremely telling. Yesterday I found one which said, 'If Runescape is free, why is my son costing me a fortune?'
Says it all really.
CajOct 6, 2012
I wonder if there are other good 'Jagex' articles out there.
Someone on the forums directed me to www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-01-12-casting-the-runes, the URL link to Casting the Runes by Rachel Weber.
It's pretty much an interview with Mark Gerhard, but what I think of it essentially is a load of... crap.
I just wish he would go out and admit the truth on some things.
JoHarringtonAug 7, 2012
Maybe I'm just reading Machiavellian intent, where it wasn't that far applied.
Love you to bits. <3
JoHarringtonAug 7, 2012
I've certainly noticed your rebel activities. You'll bring down the Death Star yet. <3 I'm really grateful for how you've got the word out about these articles; and I'm doing my best to keep everyone up to date with the most current information.
You know that a company is panicking and/or going for world domination, when they are so desperate to censor information and dissenting opinions. But people will communicate, as we're proving right now.
Another SoF promotion? -.- I used to play RS every day. I've found myself on there less and less since April. It's just not fun anymore and the only hook is that some friends are still there.
Spirit of RS, you are too kind. Thank you. <3
JoHarringtonAug 7, 2012
I bought my supplies and trained like mad. The gilded altar was in! Happy days! My friends loved it, because they could use it.
Then, the very next day, there was the announcement that Free Trade would end one month hence. If that had been today, then I wouldn't have fretted so much. I could make 4m relatively easily in a day or two, if I worked hard (all of my skills are 90+). But back then, even 1m was a massive struggle.
I was determined to pay everyone back though. I worked really hard for that month and finally did it, before the deadline. But it leeched all of the fun out of the game during that time. Hence my negative reaction to its removal; and cheering at its return. It's only been recently that I've seen how the opposite should have been true.
The bots thing has always been a problem. I saw yet another bot nuke in the offing soon.
I paid my membership to have somewhere to chill out with friends. Now it's in your face marketing and my friends all leaving. Sigh.
JoHarringtonAug 7, 2012
Every country has its good and bad, and the recession has bitten us all. Mind you, I was whining about it once, when my Spanish friend said, "You think it's bad over there, try coming over here." We compared statistics and I had to give her that one.
I have been known to haunts the forums a lot, when there's something on my mind. But I haven't been in for weeks now. I'm Merch Gwyar there.
I feel so sorry for the Maple Story players too. Their game is being held up as the great success story for micro-transactions, yet I know how many people find this article by searching, 'Insight Venture Partners ruined Maple Story'. It's obviously not all roses there either.
My feeling is that IVP took the idea from Nexon, then pushed it on all that they fund.
Wizzley won't delete comments, unless it veers off into the realms of illegality or dodgy stuff. I can't see that happening any time soon. Unfortunately, Jagex are so busy protecting their brand name that they've given up on listening to criticism, once it becomes negative. Especially when people are pointing out that SoF et al flies in the face of the RS ethos since the beginning. They lost their way big time when they stopped listening to Andrew.
Everything you said about the hey-day of gaming, I'm right there with you. There's some amazing indie stuff happening on Steam, but the big MMORPGs have gone for the money. It's a recession, people have none, so big business panics and tries to grab for more. Then players walk away. This recession has ruined so much, so fast. It's heart-breaking when you consider it. I think that's part of the reason people got so angry with Jagex. Runescape was cheap enough to play (cheaper than a night out anyway), then that got ruined too.
I haven't looked at any of the games that you mentioned yet. I'm still working my way through my purchases from the Steam sale. Terraria reminds me of a slightly more up-market Runescape Classic; though it owes much more to Minecraft. And I loved Dear Esther. (http://wizzley.com/delusion-or-reality-dear-esther-takes-us-on-a-journey/)
Those that you listed largely started with micro-transactions. People knew what they were buying into. Jagex had to change the rules of Runescape to foist it on a game that had been established for a decade.
CajAug 6, 2012
Jagex promised us that there would be a new 'macro detection system' coming immediately during the re-release of Free Trade. I don't think it exists. In the weeks afterwards I saw my favorite training spots swarmed with bots. Pretty soon I couldn't find a good place to train.
I didn't pay $5.99 a month to get squeezed out of the game with hoards of bots. I paid $5.99 a month to enjoy the game and experience all it had to offer.
Though I understand it's now $7.99 a month for membership. Having looked at the 2011 fiscal report for Jagex, it seems that they're not struggling with money. They're definitely making good money, but they're not putting that money in the right places.
CajAug 6, 2012
Of course I'm not saying everything about America, that would take things too far. More so the business leaders and their intentions to drive my country downhill. I used to give more respect towards them, but with corrupt politicians and an iffy government, I can't say that I'm all too impressed. We're really going through a rough time over here, though I suppose it isn't much better concerning the British.
I don't know if you use the Runescape forums or not, but my name here is the exact same on there. If you happen to stop by or are already familiar with the forums, I'm pretty active on them, mostly because of the countless others who share my opinions.
I'll have to do more research by Nexon. Basically it comes down to anything being funded by IVP to automatically take a turn downhill. I must say that I feel sorry for Maple Story players, all that work and time just going to waste since you can now 'buy your way to success'.
We shouldn't have to worry about our posts here getting deleted, hidden or monitored. There are some things I can say on here that I cannot say on the Runescape forums. Despite the lack of communication between the players and Jagex, Jagex still monitors the forums.
Yeah, I've come to the same conclusion about gaming. I happen to believe that a lot of micro-transactions have come from the recession itself, squeezing out more money out of people before these companies face trouble. Some of the best games I ever played spanned from the mid 1980s to the early 2000s. I hate to sound like the guy wearing 'nostalgia' glasses, but the games I played growing up and well into college were more creative and less money driven than the titles today.
There are some companies like Rockstar Games who haven't yet fallen into the trap of squeezing out all the money they can, because they're better than that. I might consider buying their 'Max Payne' title that just came out a few months ago. Red Dead Redemption was great, and I even liked L.A. Noire, although Rockstar didn't actually make the game (they were responsible for publishing).
But look at Electronic Arts, Nexon, and Activision/Blizzard. They're raking in countless billions of dollars a year, and yet they're still imposing micro-transactions that affect game play status. This is just a small sample of many other companies who are doing the same thing, but the ones listed are among the most famous.
JoHarringtonAug 5, 2012
I did see the forum post where this article was mentioned. I'm sorry to hear that a JMod (or forum mod) hid it, though I'm not hugely surprised. I heard recently that all mention of Insight Venture Partners, IVP or Jeff Horing is being filtered out of the RSOF. I guess they don't want all this negativity turning up in the Google SERPs. Oops. :)
I'm glad that your comments haven't got hidden in the melee though, as they now exist here.
Yes, Nexon (funded by IVP and funders now in their own right) are spreading their business model like the plague, through many other games too. Runescape wasn't the first, nor will it be the last.
Gaming as a whole is struggling through the recession. It's worth checking out what Brandon (a fellow Wizzley author) has to say about Zynga and the Facebook effect too. (http://wizzley.com/zynga-falls-could-it-be-due-to-lack-of-creativity/)
As for my own beloved Gielinor, I admit that I embraced the return of free trade with much wooting and open arms. I was devastated when it went away, because my friends and I were always giving each other gifts. But I started to become alarmed when katanas became exclusive additions for buying game cards. Pay extra for the same membership and you get that too.
It's been seriously downhill since then. It seems to have sped up after the news was broken that Andrew Gower had left the company. Or maybe that was just because our eyes were wide open then.
CajAug 5, 2012
I actually copied those comments over from the Runescape Official Forums. Someone on there told people to google search 'Will Capitalist Horing Be Jagex's Downfall?'. I found this as quickly as I had typed it in the computer.
Unfortunately, the post that gave out the title was made hidden. Jagex must not want people spreading the negativity.
The sad tragedy in all this is the money men going over to a lot of video game companies and liquidizing them. Especially on Runescape where I've spent a significant amount of time into developing my character.
It wasn't uncommon for me and many other players to play Runescape during the summer on a day in, day out basis.
You may of not noticed it, but in the months and years after Insight Venture Partners first stepped foot into obtaining shares from Jagex, the game started it's downhill path.
It was more of a tricking effect though, not quite at the accelerated speeds this game is experiencing today. Hard to say when and where the declines started to happen, but in short, they became noticeable shortly before the Trade Limit was imposed.
Thank you for mentioning that Insight is not only after Jagex, it's after every company it can get it's hands on. By the time they own a portion of the shares, people notice the changes pretty quickly.
JoHarringtonAug 4, 2012
You have four years on me, but I'm with you on every word. It is distressing to watch money men come in and run a sledgehammer though our game. It's been part of our lives for so long that we have long-standing friends there. Not to mention all of the achievements in our game-play.
It's got now so I feel depressed just logging in. Yelps is just THERE, as well as all of the adverts. I recall when membership meant never having to see an advert.
CajAug 4, 2012
CajAug 4, 2012
Jagex is a business, but what you don't see is it's not JUST Jagex anymore. For the past 18 months it has been Jagex[IVP]. All this shameless promotion crap getting people to buy into microtransactions and membership has not been Jagex alone. It's been the majority shareholder behind their back ordering them what to do.
CajAug 4, 2012
I really give up and thinking any form of turn-around will happen for that miserable godforsaken company known as Jagex, unless some rich game-loving miracle shows up to purchase majority shares from their greedy, disgusting, game ruining investors. I'm really glad most moderators were riddled of from the company, goes to show how bad it has gotten. Whether or not they left from opinion of the game or being removed to be replaced by marketing whizzes, I'm glad.
Shame on Jagex employees; especially those who are still there and have been around for a while [ESPECIALLY CONTENT DEVELOPERS] who do nothing now but create more and more game demeaning content.
CajAug 4, 2012
Now that I've read it through, I can't help but shake my head in sadness.
It's a shell of it's former self, I really can't add anything substantial here other than to see the game I played day in and day out, take a turn for the worse.
A great deal has happened since I started in 2002, I'm actually amazed I'm still around the Runescape community considering that everybody else I knew is gone.
I guess my 2275 Total, 220M+ XP, eleven 99s and 20M+ Thieving XP was all for naught. At least that's what IVP is convincing me to think.
Though it was a bit of a surprise to see actual pictures of people from Insight. Just by looking at them I can tell they're not gamers. They're rough businessmen.
JoHarringtonAug 2, 2012
PeterAug 2, 2012
JoHarringtonJul 29, 2012
I am trying to keep this up-dated. If anyone thinks that I've missed anything, please do give me a head's up to start my investigations.
Indeed, I've just been through again and up-dated it further. Look at the Quest and Lolapps sections.
JoHarringtonJul 27, 2012
KaraJul 27, 2012
JoHarringtonMay 1, 2012
..............May 1, 2012
Also, the RuneScape "client" is now fully Java based (OpenJDK 7). No browsers involved (except for the advertisement viewer I think).
JoHarringtonApr 28, 2012
Kara: I did the free ones, when it first came out and was merely annoying rather than insidious. Yes, they were boring. I wouldn't dream of spending money on them.
Ken: I saw his RSOF post with the same information. Trevorghost is turning into quite the hero of this protest.
KenApr 27, 2012
KaraApr 26, 2012
KenApr 26, 2012
Touring around to see the office facilities, culture, employees and bits of future content in development is all well and good but don't forget your prime reason for being invited in the first place.
With all said and done, good luck!
JoHarringtonApr 26, 2012
I'll ask them tomorrow, when I go there!
TimApr 26, 2012
Really? I'm glad to hear that I did try it myself earlier in the week & I'm 100% certain that I put my age in as 25. Maybe they put a fix in? If so that's great :)
Although I do still feel lost there I've spent more time using the map here then mos tlikely anywhere else maybe I do just need to get usto it or something. I've never really had this new area problem.
JSheaForrestApr 26, 2012
JoHarringtonApr 25, 2012
I had no idea. I was still staring at the start of the fight, frozen on my screen! I just had to hope that my auto-retaliate and clan security guards were enough. Bless them, I had all of my stuff back before I was even back.
So yes, I hate to imagine what it's like now, with all of the improved graphics. I'm fortunately on a better computer myself now and even I still lag at times.
Thanks for your comment.
LaniApr 25, 2012
P.S you think RS is pushing what a browser can do? No not even close just read some of the responses Jagex themselves have said in recent interviews Browser/Java is not a limitation anymore. We will be seeing more & more MMOs doing the browser thing soon enough. Jagex was just first to do it at a decent level. Jagex is not even coming close to pushing the limits as there are no limits anymore they have been removed everything you can do for a large installation can be accomplished the way Jagex dose it now.
You can add AOC &
JoHarringtonApr 25, 2012
It's setting players up for a fall.
KenApr 25, 2012
JoHarringtonApr 25, 2012
JSheaForest - I'm looking forward to your Burthorpe Wizzle! I did the quest, as a quest cape holder, and I've done the getting lost in Taverley thing several times. But, as this thread shows, there's loads that I've overlooked up there. I wasn't the target audience, so I went back to high level content instead.
As for the voice acting part, I'm not massively keen, but that's only because I'm partially deaf. It was fun in that quest over in Al Kharid though, and I'm happy to see content that makes everyone else cheer. Not every update is for me. :)
Thanks both for your comments.
JSheaForrestApr 25, 2012
JSheaForrestApr 25, 2012
JSheaForrestApr 25, 2012
Also, I'm pretty sure you're only mute if you say you're under 13 when you start your account, but I'm not sure. I'm about to brave the lag and try out a new account to see it all for myself, actually. I'm hoping low settings, a quiet world, and OpenGL mode will make it tolerable.
Also, Tim, I don't mean to criticize every statement of yours, but I disagree entirely about the maze-like feeling of Burthorpe. It's very different, yes; you'll just have to look at the map and figure where things are like you had to do when you were brand new to the game though. That doesn't make it mazelike, and in fact, from studying the map it looks more like it's laid out in a nice circular path, and it covers all the skills. That's a big improvement over Tutorial Island, which got a lot of complaints about covering only the most basic of skills.
Furthermore, about voice acting in MMO's: Yes, it's old-hat ... in downloadable MMO's. Browser-based ones? We have one of the oldest browser-based games that aren't static images with clickable linky commands. Runescape is pushing the limits of the capabilites of browser-based games (that aren't browser-displayed executables [Earth Eternal] or streaming client based data [like with Kalydo, which allows client-based games to stream data as needed instead of forcing an install, see: http://www.kalydo.com/5-reasons-to-choose-kalydo/] which is a different thing, but is commonly lumped together -- you don't need to download a client to run Runescape in your browser like a lot of other so-called browser-based games are.) Those games have had big voice-acting media files for a long time because it's easy to pull that data from your computer and play it; far harder to pull that data through the used-to-be-much-slower internet and play it without lag or compression problems.
TimApr 25, 2012
The way I guess it works now is...
1. Create Account
2. Activate 14 day free membership trial
3. Do Troll war zone introduction
4. Do as much members content as you possibly can in 14 days
5. Revert to F2P
6. Do easy to access F2P content
7. Think about going members again only this time you pay...
Seems like a strange way to do things...
JoHarringtonApr 24, 2012
http://wizzley.com/runescape-jagex-microtransactions/
I'd do it now, but it's late, so I'm not at my most eloquent. <3
KenApr 24, 2012
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JoHarringtonApr 24, 2012
People don't get members until they've maxed all there is to easily do in f2p. Pitching Burthorpe at around level 30 would have been appropriate.
Are new players mute when they arrive now?
TimApr 24, 2012
Then there's been no thought why would trolls attack with level 14s when they have generals that can hit 400+ available. Low level players already have enough of everything to get them to a mid level range they need more updates for players who are abit higher. It should have been assumed that people would do the F2P content first & update that instead. Then this could have been a medium level area which would have made much more sense gameplay wise. Now it's just another marketing tool.
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Then theres another big issue I was doing this warzone on my main & some new player was following me about not saying anything turns out they can't talk so I wasn't able to see what this person was after they may have needed help for all I know. The chat option needs to be turned on as early as possible for new accounts.
JoHarringtonApr 24, 2012
And LOL I'm also willing to bet a fistful of gp that Clusterflutterer has a different name in-house. LOL
There was a lot of content put into Burthorpe and Taverley. The entire road between the two is now populated, while Taverley has a huge lake in the centre of it. The village itself spreads all around it.
JSheaForrestApr 24, 2012
Speaking of which, I know Optimus has high priority too -- that plus ClusterFlutterer (I've got five bucks that says they don't actually call by that PG name at HQ!) have been big under-the-hood changes that likely made developers want to wait to work on their new content til after those (well, mainly CF) are done. I'd get annoyed at having to rewrite large chunks of now-outdated code, too.
JoHarringtonApr 24, 2012
I think your theory about Transformers makes a lot of sense. Thanks for that. :)
JSheaForrestApr 24, 2012
Also, my theory -- one I'll be writing on in more depth in an article later this week -- is that a lot of people and resources have been pulled toward Transformers Universe, since Jagex has a firm deadline with Hasbro for a 2012 release. If that's so, it would make sense that content development has slowed a bit in Runescape.
JoHarringtonApr 24, 2012
The last thing we need is another minigame. Some skills could use an overhaul before all of that. Like smithing. I'm level 91 smithing now and I can't even make a rune platebody. I haven't needed to wear rune for years either, as my combat level has far outgrown it.
And please give my love to all at Tip It. I'm getting a lot of visitors from your neck of the internet. <3
LaneHerarApr 24, 2012
Another problem is where not seeing extra cash being used on the game. I know MMG said there plowing profits back into the game but where are the results? We supposedly got a near doubled content team yet so far this year we've seen a handful of really small updates some graphical reworks, 1 achievement diary, 1 new minigame & 2 quests in 4 months. We will have a second minigame soon but so far were not seeing much for 4 months into a year at this rate this will be the worst year update wise since the launch of RS2.
JoHarringtonApr 23, 2012
Thanks for the head's up though, because it might have been overlooked.
CathyApr 23, 2012
JoHarringtonApr 21, 2012
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/01/12/staunchly-british-jagex-sets-the-record-straight-about-its-new/
CathyApr 21, 2012
Forum Quick find code: 15-16-79-63670883
JoHarringtonApr 20, 2012
TyApr 20, 2012
'"The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time." - Hilmar Veigar Pétursson, CEO, CCP, EVE Online."
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""It's never OK for players to buy a game and not be able to enjoy what they paid for without additional purchases, and it's never OK for players who spend money to have an unfair advantage over players who spend time," ArenaNet President Mike O'Brien, NCSoft, Guild Wars 2."
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"I don't think that anybody wants a game where you can outright buy power that makes the game unfair and un-fun, and that is a line we don't want to cross. But there are a lot of shades of grey in there, and that's something we want the players to determine," - Laura Naviaux, Vice President of Global Sales, Sony Online Entertainment, EverQuest 2.
JoHarringtonApr 20, 2012
TyApr 20, 2012
If you treat the people who buy your games as nothing more than consumers they'll catch on quickly. Once that happens they'll stop giving you the benefit of the doubt and start looking for reasons to complain about you. If players continue to feel slighted they'll just get fed up and leave unless you make really good games. And while putting out games that always get a 96 or above on Metacritic is a nice strategy… well… good luck with that one.
What you really want are true fans. People who know your work, are the first in line to buy the games you make and tell all their friends they have to play your latest release. If you make an effort, it's really not all that hard to build up a loyal following of this sort."
-Stardock producer Jon Shafer, Former Civilization Lead Designer."
That's a good quote supplied by TrevorGhost Forum Quick find code: 15-16-718-63694272
JoHarringtonApr 18, 2012
Lane Herre - Thank you so much for your contribution. I agree with every word of it. And yes, that profit did rise every year. This latest is pushing it even higher, but damaging the integrity of gameplay in the process
Lane HerreApr 18, 2012
You complain your busy or your a causal yet your standing there ingame doing nothing it's no wounder why your not progressing with the game. God forbid you should have to do something why don't we just give you a code that ends the game the moment you sign in enough with instant gratification go do something, go play the game it's waiting there for you to experience & enjoy :)
Lane HerreApr 18, 2012
2005 - 2010 record profit every year (thanks to the price increase in 2008)
2010 - Record subscription turn over but they spent more
2011/2012 data is not available yet.
2012 - Price increase again this time it's bigger & there expense that they encountered in 2010 were one offs.
We made the Gowers very rich & we could make IVP richer from memberships alone.
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I also don't believe you need to purchase items to complete the game as the guy below says we have decades of games without microtransactions.
You should be able to complete the game through gameplay. Your ability to game should define your success in the game. If your a noob who doesn't have what it takes you should not be able to short cut your way to success.
WizmasterApr 18, 2012
JoHarringtonApr 15, 2012
John - Good ideas! Given the amount of unofficial Runescape merchandise on Zazzle and Cafepress, there's obviously a market for it. Expanding the Jagex shop with more IRL would work well.
Cathy - Nice find! I enjoyed reading that very informative article. I just don't think that micro-transactions are good per se for Runescape. Other titles maybe, but not this one.
CathyApr 15, 2012
Q: Is it reasonable think we'll keep seeing more subscription-based MMOs being developed even though there's a push in the market for F2P and microtransaction-based titles?
DE: Absolutely. In everything from magazines to cable TV to MMOs there are multiple market segments with their own pricing and revenue generation stream. What we've seen repeatedly is that people will pay subscriptions for top tier, best of show quality products (The Economist, HBO, World of Warcraft) but they will not pay for many of them at once. I expect to see a small group of games compete for the subscription dollar and a larger group take on the F2P market with smaller, faster produced games that try to establish a core market then use the revenue streams created from that small market to improve and expand their game. In that market the best ones will stay around and the less exciting entries will fall off fairly quickly. I'm excited to see what's coming next!
Source: http://www.videogamer.com/pc/star_wars_the_old_republic/news/bioware_talks_star_wars_the_old_republic.html?page=2
CathyApr 15, 2012
A one size fits all approach rarely works. It's best to go with what model your customers are happy with so they continue to play & pay weather it be Subscripion based, Cash shop/microtransaction based, Buy to play based or what ever you chose. While some games have added microstransactions it should not be seen as the only solution.
JohnApr 15, 2012
Still plenty of other ways to milk us without selling ingame advantage for no ingame effort.
Fred GwyarApr 15, 2012
One guy at Jagex Marketing Depatment should be locked away, almost 100% sure the SoF came from a Mkt guy...(I'm that kind of people, we do fucked up something...).
Anyway, I do understand the need for Jagex / Inside to get more and more money, that's a goal of every business. I just think they should have manage that way differently, and start micro transaction on cosmetic rewards...
JoHarringtonApr 14, 2012
Tim - Thank you very much for the report on War of Legends. I will be completely honest, it never appealed to me enough to even check it out. I'm a Runescape women through and through. I'd have to cut out sleeping, if I added another game in my life. LOL Therefore it doubly appreciated that you let us know this.
Lane Peri - Quadruple top ups? Wow! Yes, that does indeed seem a little desperate to me. I wonder what the uptake is like.
Cathy - Wow! I'm away from home for the weekend, so I hadn't been up to date on the latest developments. The speed with which this story is progressing, two days out might as well be a month! I've just read the forum post and my jaw dropped. Credit where credit is due, that apology was deserved and its good that Alex Crisses and Jeff Horing did it. I'll update this article to state that this has happened. Thanks again for the head's up.
CathyApr 13, 2012
Lane PeriApr 13, 2012
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TimApr 13, 2012
Jagex told us the same things over there that there doing now in Runescape.
Brian SloaneApr 13, 2012
JoHarringtonApr 12, 2012
Drasnian ElfApr 12, 2012
Campaign against IVP now: http://www.change.org/petitions/insight-venture-partners-stop-putting-profit-before-players-in-runescape
JoHarringtonApr 12, 2012
PaulApr 12, 2012