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Why Shouldn't We Speak Ill of the Dead?

When somebody dies, there is a tendency to talk only about the good that they did in life. Is this really the best way for them to be remembered?

I remember when my Nan died. I was standing on the doorstep looking out over the sea of flowers on the lawn, awaiting the arrival of the hearse. I felt so angry. I wanted someone, anyone, to come by and say something terrible about the flowers, just to give me the excuse to punch them in the gob. Of course, such a situation is highly improbable, but that wasn't the point. I'd done shocked calm and I was yet to dissolve into tears. I was still at the lashing out stage of grief, where all I needed was a tenuous provocation. Then I could have hit back at a world which had taken my Nan. It's dangerous to speak ill of the dead. Their relatives are emotionally raw and prone to retaliation. But beyond such considerations of tact in front of mourners, why shouldn't we speak out?

A Reputation Set in Stone

The final word is always the most important. It's the one which cements a legacy for good or ill.

Image: JusticeIn a court of law, the final summing up is usually the most important aspect of a grand trial.  The jury will have sat through reams of evidence and testimonies. Now it's the turn of the prosecution and defense to help those present to make sense of it all.

It's a quirk of psychology that the last words spoken are those most keenly recalled. They can sway an opinion far better than the opening lines.

Thus it is with a life and posthumous reputation.  At the final reckoning, it's the words spoken in the eulogy which count more than a whole life-time lived. Those are what onlookers will remember.

It's a time for judgement, which comes when there's no more life left to redeem or tarnish a reputation. It was the actions while living which counted, not the death. We all die. It's the nature of our existence that we eventually end. Our legacy is then in the hands of those we left behind.

Of course, there's a mad scramble then to secure the memories.  Those deemed beyond the pale of society - serial killers and war criminals - will have their crimes picked over publicly, with gleeful abandon. Those who achieved great good are elevated to the level of gods or saints.

But most people aren't like that.  We tend to live ordinary lives, in a narrow world, with both good and bad meaning not much at the end of the day. The families that love us have that old fall back to safeguard our reputations, 'You shouldn't speak ill of the dead.'  They are in mourning, therefore they have the tendency to forgive and forget all little blips on our character. Thus we pass into the next life almost universally blameless.

Then you get the public figures, those who represented something much bigger than themselves. Their agencies may still be large and strong, demanding that a reputation be glowing, not for the love of the deceased, but for the brand or institution left behind. 

See here the polarizing effect on British society, current at the time of writing, caused by the death of Margaret Thatcher.  The Conservative Party goes on. It does not wish to have a succession of past policies and actions picked over now in anger and bitterness. It has its current reputation to polish into perfection. It wants us to recall a former leader as someone who saved Britain, changed Britain for the better, strode like a colossus on the world stage.

It's not about Thatcher necessarily.  It's about a public being reminded and the impact that could have on the party's present aspirations.  Therefore the most often heard phrase leveled at all detractors is that old fall back, 'You shouldn't speak ill of the dead'.  But why not?

Respect in death should be earned in life. By not speaking ill of the dead, if such sentiments were deserved, then we collude in a whitewash.

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The Dead Aren't Here to Defend Themselves

Anything could be said about us once we're dead. That's the fear which possibly lies behind the pressure not to say anything terrible.

Image: Princes in the TowerWe all want to be understood.  We want everyone to remember us fondly, particularly once we're dead and buried.  We want our lives to have meant something, and that thing to be quite wonderful.

Which is all a bit of a shame, if people are allowed to say what they will, once we've gone. We can't stand up and defend ourselves.  If it's their word against ours, and their word is the only one heard, then our reputation is irrevocably slandered.

Take Richard III.  His legacy was in the hands of the Tudor dynasty, which had an active interest in ensuring he was thought about badly.  It's been proven that a portrait of him was altered to make him look evil. The Tudors were aided and abetted by Shakespeare, who dramatized Richard as a villain.

Add into the mix a carefully fostered rumor that Richard III killed the Princes in the Tower and it was all over for him.  Forget what Richard was really like, in the public memory, he was the darkest monarch ever to have taken the English crown. Aren't we glad that the Tudors saved us?

The example of Richard is one of the biggest reasons why we cling to the belief that no-one should speak ill of the dead.  Yes, there's an element of wishing our loved ones to be remembered fondly.  But mostly, we know that our time will come too.

The dead aren't here to defend themselves.  It's up to their supporters to do it for them. But doubt can always be cast and who can speak of truths without the evidence? 

But then again, is that any reason to say nothing bad at all?  Sometimes there are victims, who are having to live with the damage wrought.  They could really do with the dialogue right around now.

Condemning Victims to Suffer in Silence

An enforced silence subtly alerts the living to the fact, that any and all bad behavior will be struck from the record, once we reach our graves.

The deceased are always innocent.

Those who knew otherwise - sometimes their victims - are suddenly struck dumb. Bad feeling festers inside. Memories, which desperately crave the unburdening, are locked within, because it's too late. It's all water under the bridge. It doesn't matter. It happened a long time ago and nothing can be done now. The perpetrator is dead.

It makes you wonder how often survivors of abuse live for decades with things left unspoken. They have to suffer the consequences, without anyone ever knowing. If you can't speak ill of the dead, then their abuser's sins go with them into the grave.

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The Truth Will Out

As a genealogist, I've placed myself in situations where family members want to speak out. The alternative is an unblemished record entering the family tree.

Image: Shadowed figureMany years ago, I was speaking with two elderly relatives about family history. As they gave me facts and recounted stories, I took notes.

They could see names being recorded in our genealogy, all given equal weight of importance, as they took their places according to blood-lines. Innocuous, and somewhat bland, unless a tidbit about them enriched their entry in the family tree.

Suddenly my great-auntie burst out an accusation, "He was a right 'un!" She looked shaken by having said it, so full of bitter emotion. 

Her cousin looked shocked and spoke with a hint of reproval, "Now come on, it was a long time ago."

It certainly was. According to my newly scribbled notes, the individual had been dead for nearly seventy years. But my great-auntie could see his name nestling alongside her mother, her grandmother, his siblings and his wife. The proximity was more than she could bear, when they were all being treated the same, in a document which was being carried forward. She and her cousin were the last people alive who'd known him.  They were the last ones to know what he was really like.

"He beat his wife, you know.  And his mother! My Nan used to hear him coming home from the pub. He had to pass her house to get to his own. She used to blow out the candle and hide behind the settee, until he was gone. Then his wife would get it instead!"

Her cousin tutted, "She doesn't want to know all this."

I did and I should. My great-auntie had grasped the situation perfectly.  I was the family historian and whatever I wrote down now became the truth.  It would potentially be read by all generations to come. Why should a man like that be rendered blameless, by sheer dint of having decayed?

"But your grandad laid him out." My great-auntie concluded triumphantly. "He walked in and caught him belting his wife one day.  So your grandad punched him out stone cold."  There was a sweet satisfaction in that smile. There was the knowledge that this was also being added to the record. Her brother, my grandfather, had the courage to stand up to such a man.

Everyone in this story was deceased, but there were truths aching to be told. My great-auntie had waited seven decades biting her tongue, not wishing to speak ill of the dead. But now she'd gained retribution on behalf of her own auntie and grandmother. She'd had the final word, and every generation hereon would know it.

Should my Great-Auntie Have Told That Story?

Her cousin thought it inappropriate and irrelevant now. My great-auntie deemed it a tale which had to be told.

Yes

  • Absolutely, the truth should always come out. Without it, we are left with a false and meaningless record.

  • Agreed. Needs to be told. There are many dead who have had worse said of them lately.

  • Of course she was right to assuage her emotions - keeping them pent up is not a good thing, especially for several decades.

    History should be re-evaluated once the writings of the victors have settled and the dust on the writings of the losers is blown away.

  • It's funny how older generations feel it vital to keep such secrets protecting their family and peers when we now feel full disclosure proves to be healthy. I say YES!

  • Of course, your own family history is still relatively private to you but anecdotes like that begin to tell a story between the dry facts. I wish I had more of those.

  • There is a difference between speaking ill for speaking ill's sake, and speaking the truth. One is malicious and self-serving, and the other is done for healing, validating, setting the record straight, etc.

  • The truth from the past can shine light on the present...

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JoHarringtonJun 2, 2013

Thank you very much, and I still stand by that one.

cmoneyspinnerJun 2, 2013

"Respect in death should be earned in life."
You said it. I'm just repeating it because it bears repeating.

JoHarringtonApr 27, 2013

You've put your finger on precisely the reason that 'don't speak ill of the dead' is a thing. It's either those half-understood kernels of truth, or the story dies with the only person left who knew a thing. Which is the best way forward?

AngelaJohnsonApr 26, 2013

I'm not sure how I feel about family history stories. The person being spoken about is dead and the people who are relating stories may have different views on what happened - especially children who don't always understand what's going on. Now if several people all said the same thing, or there was some type of documentation, that's different.

JoHarringtonApr 22, 2013

True. True. And well put.

frankbeswickApr 22, 2013

Family history is like archaeology. When you dig you eventually unearth skeletons.

JoHarringtonApr 22, 2013

Family history is such a minefield for these things, isn't it? The trouble is that ideas of what's right and wrong, scandalous or acceptable, change over the generations. What may be a big deal to the older generation is nothing to us.

One of the problems that I had was realising that I was seeing my ancestors like characters in a story. They'd been dead long before my time, so there wasn't that emotional connection. But I'd be speaking with people who actually had known them. Once I'd recognized I was doing it, I was able to approach it slightly more appropriately.

Your grandmother reminds me a lot of mine. She too worried about what I was going to find digging about in Blaenafon. I never did discover what was worrying her so much.

Thanks for commenting!

georgettejohnApr 22, 2013

And isn't speaking "ill" a matter of perspective? When researching my own family history my grandmother consistently became disgusted when I started to reiterate what I had uncovered thus far on her side (in addition to what she had voluntarily disclosed/shared). She'd say, "I don't know why you want to know so much about a bunch of dead people" yet she spoke of them frequently in a few favorite storys in particular. When I discovered her brother had run away because he didn't want to go to school and went to his uncles house in another town only to be sent back home...I realized that was her "secret". Something she didn't want anyone to know for some reason or another. It was speaking "ill" of him in her mind! Great article! I enjoyed it.

JoHarringtonApr 17, 2013

Thank you for reading it. And yes! I had my eye on those too. It's refreshing to see an author just come out with it.

MiraApr 17, 2013

I enjoyed reading your article and the comments. I am also intrigued by the Jerks series. I would be interested to read a book or two.

JoHarringtonApr 11, 2013

I was reading through the BBC articles last night and ended up ranting so much, that I backed away for the sake of all listening to me. It's horrible to live through those.

I'd been trying so desperately to be at Hillsborough (I was young and a Liverpool fan), that most of my year at school thought I was there. A friend's dad thought he could get us tickets. I walked into school on Monday morning to huge sighs of relief, as everyone realised I'd never been near the place!

It would be a terrible misstep to have the two memorials merged in any way.

GuestApr 11, 2013

I'm going to avoid most media until after all this has died down, otherwise I shall become extraordinarily fed up and niggly. A lot of people are being very publicly bitter and others are being almost sycophantic. I don't like either pole but am already known for being a Rottweiler and niggly with it.

I don't think I could have done anything other than admit I was at Uni, and live with the consequences. I already know I studied what many think to be a Mickey Mouse Arts degree, and that the result was 'average', but that was at a time when Universities specialised in academically challenging Arts and Science degrees, plus medicine and dentistry, while Polytechnics awarded the vocational, hands on, practical degrees such as Film, Fashion, Media, Fine Art, Journalism and advanced trade training in Business, Retail, Customer Service and similar.

Hillsborough fills me with shivers, as I was abroad when that happened and only realised the full horror when I arrived back home. I have never been a fan of crowds and busy places; that just put the lid on it for me. The final nail in that coffin would be to find that the anniversary memorials became tied up in remembrance of someone who wasn't the biggest footie fan the country has ever known...

JoHarringtonApr 11, 2013

The directors of Wigan and Reading both suggested to the FA that a minute's silence be held. Most of the rest of the clubs have stated that they really would not like to do that. They all know that the minute will be filled with shouted obscenities and jeering.

However, it's been pointed out to me that April 15th is also the anniversary of Hillsborough. The Reading v Liverpool game WILL have a minute's silence before it, but both clubs are very carefully emphasizing that it's for Hillsborough NOT Thatcher. The thought of those two being mistaken is horrific, given her involvement in the Hillsborough cover up.

It's interesting that you were told that you'd 'wasted' your years getting a degree. We're pretty much of an age, and I was also strongly informed of the same thing. I was told that it was better I say I'd been in prison than in university.

GuestApr 11, 2013

I heard the footballers had been told not to observe a minute's silence either.

I'm caught between two poles here, because my parents and in-laws did very well out of the Tory years with jobs for life, generous pensions and good salaries too, which allowed for a decent standard of living when I was living at home. But by the time I graduated I was shunned because I'd 'wasted' 3 years of my life in Uni and people who left school at 16 with a child and a GCSE were being hired over me because they had experience and I didn't. It took years to build up the experience and then, when I moved to East Anglia, I had to start all over again as the pay was nowhere near as good in the Fens as it was in Surrey. Plus, I had a fiance (now husband) by then, and that adds a whole new dimension to a previously single life.

JoHarringtonApr 11, 2013

I thought that the FA had sent a directive that no football club could be forced to do the minute's silence! I know that the Manchester game on the day went ahead without one. Ok, bring it on. I'd fork out for a Wolves ticket just to boo during that silence, if all the league is coerced into it.

humagaiaApr 11, 2013

I hope the proposal is successful. That way the fans can vent their anger in the most appropriate way - by booing and chanting throughout the minutes 'silence'. Perhaps then the whole country will see that she was and is the most hated Prime Minister in living memory. That will be the real tribute she deserves.

frankbeswickApr 11, 2013

Her father was no humble greengrocer. He was the town mayor and well up with the establishment. She fought exclusively for the interests of the classes with whom she identified.

What is annoying me now is the proposal that football fans should give a minute's silence at matches. Manchester fans have no reason to be silent. One apparent footnote in her story is the "theft" of Manchester's land. The city had prudently built up a portfolio of land over generations as an investment against hard times. The council let the land to the water board. But when water was privatised she treated the land as company property and sold it off. Manchester got not a penny in compensation, and the profits went to the treasury. The courts supported the government, as parliament is sovereign. That was Manchester's punishment for not voting Conservative; and they want the Manchester fans to be silent for her!

JoHarringtonApr 11, 2013

That's us then! *off to write about the Battle of the Beanfield* Who would like to take the rest of the 80s?

Thank you for that, Humagaia. It's also a very reassuring thought, after all the sickening eulogies I've been reading on the BBC recently.

humagaiaApr 11, 2013

"If there is anything in the concept of karma, Thatcher will be reborn in a South Yorkshire mining village." - as the daughter of an ex-miner with no job. Nice thought, but ...
she was born the daughter of a humble greengrocer, in the town that I now live - Grantham in Lincolnshire. That humble beginning did nothing to enamour her to the plight of the less well off, so ...
I hope she is never reincarnated. She is in the place that she deserves to be ....
the minds of those that she took hope, joy and living standards from. Their memories and views cannot be washed over, rinsed out and bleached by time, especially if the legacy is placed in the correct context by those that have a voice and a place to expose the injustices.

JoHarringtonApr 11, 2013

That is such a delicious mental image, Frank. Thank you for that.

frankbeswickApr 11, 2013

If there is anything in the concept of karma, Thatcher will be reborn in a South Yorkshire mining village.

JoHarringtonApr 10, 2013

John - Yes! A very good example. Did you hear about the CNN photograph? The one they chose as the background, before which to announce Thatcher's death, was one with her and Jimmy Saville side-by-side. Ooops!

JoHarringtonApr 10, 2013

Paula - It's interesting that the BBC felt the need to change that. They've obviously had a lot of complaints. I've not been at all impressed by the BBC's coverage of Thatcher's death. They appear to be trying to be objective, in covering a range of opinions, but even the anti-Thatcher ones seem to be very toned down. I saw their report on the parties in the street and I was appalled. They were patently making something out of nothing and looking for things to condemn.

JoHarringtonApr 10, 2013

Katie - It can be both fascinating and heart-breaking to rifle through the skeletons hidden in closets. This is why I do try to take care with family history. You never know what you might uncover and how that will affect those still living.

GuestApr 10, 2013

That drew a wry grin, John. I not only know the one you mean. I met him in 1988. And it looks as if the article I read (which is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22076886) has been amended to change the sentence about footnotes in history to read minutiae and also to change the subject of the minutiae, unless I'm recalling it incorrectly.

JohnTannahillApr 10, 2013

People who live public lives have no safety in death. The truth will come out eventually. I could cite a BBC broadcaster as an example - you know the one.

GuestApr 10, 2013

My husband's family are very north east, we still have relations there. Father-in law-started as a miner but moved onto working as an electrician and thence into health and safety. (For which I have little time, but there you go). Thanks to Mrs T (Baroness T), her actions and his union membership he is alive to enjoy his pension from his time as a miner. Mother-in-law is a retired career state school teacher. When I mentioned the article earlier I was merely quoting the opinion of the writer, not my own. I'll see if I can find the link and post it here if I can locate it.

katiem2Apr 10, 2013

It's mind boggling to think of the many secrets making for interesting stories hidden away in the prison of secrets. Thanks for sharing this very interesting story, it has all the makings of a great book. :)K

JoHarringtonApr 10, 2013

My most resounding memory is being in the back room of a working men's club. I was only about 12, but this was the room where all the kids played, while the adults populated the rest of the club with serious socialising. On this occasion, it was packed with miners, standing room only.

I was too young to really grasp what was going on. I just knew that my 'uncles' were either angry or despairing. There were a lot of serious discussions going on in the main room and the atmosphere was heavy. We weren't really playing either. I was sitting with a friend named Sally, who informed me that there had been no food in the house for her tea that evening. She was very hungry.

In my memory, where childish things mush together over the decades, it feels like the same evening. But it couldn't have been. There were many similar times. That was when Sally was sitting there upset. Her mother had committed suicide under the strain of trying to feed her family in the strike.

"Why?" I asked, aghast.

"Mrs Thatcher killed her." Sally told me, devastated. "Mrs Thatcher is to blame."

It's moments like this which should illuminate why she's so detested in areas such as mine.

frankbeswickApr 10, 2013

One of my memories of the Thatcher era was the spite that she had against public sector workers. I was a young teacher with two dependent children and a wife who had not yet gone back to work. We were therefore on one wage, ok not as bad as many others, but not easy with the usurious mortgage rates that she was charging. At that time Tory mps were running parliamentary consultancies and getting directorships, so they were rolling in cash. The exam board found a way to give teachers a bonus. It was enough for me to but sweets for my wife and children. Some of the meaner Tories petitioned Thatcher that teachers should earn no more than their salary from their work and she got the bonus stopped. My bonus was £2.50, which for American readers is less than five dollars. This shows the level of gratutious spite and meanness that she displayed. Ok. it was not as bad as the way in which she treated many others, but meanness in such tiny matters says much about her character.

JoHarringtonApr 10, 2013

Humagaia: Ok, if you insist. Thatcher was evil! And thanks for the smile re the anagram.

JoHarringtonApr 10, 2013

Frank: I was reading all of the millions of articles about this on the BBC News site last night. I felt so nauseous by how prominent figures are moving in to whitewash her reputation.

Parliament is being recalled early, so that MPs can spend a whole session exchanging memories of Margaret Thatcher. We're paying for this.

A ceremonial funeral is being held, which is a state funeral in all but name. The only real difference is that members of the military carry the coffin instead of horses. We're paying for this.

Those who would celebrate her death with street parties, in areas which she devastated with her policies, are being demonised in news reports. It's all in bad taste scream BBC anchor men and politicians, with their Home Counties accents and their sanctimonious expressions. No, it's in perfect taste. Age and death do not wipe clean a slate that stained with outrage.

I'm with you. The Miners' Strike will always matter.

humagaiaApr 10, 2013

Why not just come right out with it Jo - Thatcher was evil!
Margaret Hilda Thatcher = anagram = Am R'hatch'd A Great Hitler

frankbeswickApr 10, 2013

Not speaking ill of the dead is a social rule which operates in families and communities, but on a public scale history cannot operate without it. Public figures must be assessed. Can we only speak well of Bin Laden? Of course not.We must speak truthfully and fairly about Thatcher, and the truth is not pretty. She knew that she was in power due to a defective electoral system and stayed with it so that she could force her ways onto a public that generally did not want them. "Leadership is getting your own way" she once declared. In the 1940s there was a bully who thought the same.

To say that an event was a footnote in history implies that it did not matter, and this is always a view taken from one standpoint. The standpoint from which it stems is the view that workers and their lives matter little. I don't accept this. Society is not about the great and famous, but the poor and ordinary. The miners' strike will always matter.

JoHarringtonApr 9, 2013

I guess it's where you're standing at the time. I can't imagine the Miners' Strike ever being a footnote in history around here. We're still surrounded by closed down pits. In fact there's one right across the road from me. I can see the sign warning about subsidence past this point from my window.

Paul's just interrupted me - halfway through responding to your comment - to link to a picture. I think this encapsulates the situation in Britain right now, though it chose publications from absolute polar opposites to do so! http://i.imgur.com/iImLbnU.jpg

GuestApr 9, 2013

In regard to Thatcher, she did good and she did bad. Presently, the bad is on the up, but an article I read earlier suggests that in years to come when the poll tax and miners' strike are potential footnotes in history, her place as the UK's first (and only so far) female PM will prevail, as will her cajones in ordering our forces into the Falklands in the manner she did. I also recall her reaction to the Grand bombing, where I was impressed by her press conference the morning of the attack. I lived only a few miles away at the time, and as I grew up in the shadow of the terrorist threat, am no stranger to their activities.

JoHarringtonApr 9, 2013

Oh! I'd not considered Mark Anthony's couplet there. It's certainly what would happen if people weren't so quick to not speak ill of the dead.

Thatcher's ills are certainly getting a very thorough airing in my circles. :)

RupertTaylorApr 9, 2013

Shakespeare has Mark Anthony say of Julius Caesar "The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones". If that's true Margaret Thatcher's bones are going to have a very lonely long hereafter. I for one am heartened to see the truth of her mean-spirited, triumphalist, and rigid approach to governing getting a proper airing.

JoHarringtonApr 9, 2013

You're welcome. It is a great article and worth linking to.

I think that people should think long and hard about what they're going to say. Airing petty slights just makes the gossip-monger look petty in the circumstances. But if there's something which needs the airing, then it should be stated. Otherwise stuff gets brushed under the carpet and nothing gets healed.

HollieTApr 9, 2013

Very timely and thought provoking piece. Personally, I don't hold with the we shouldn't speak ill of the dead. If they have hurt people during their lives, this is a record of the events of their lives.

Thank you for linking my article, Jo.
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