Gwyn
Handsome my dog, and round-bodied,
And truly the best of dogs; Dormarth was he, which belonged to Maelgwyn.
Gwyddno
Dormarth with the ruddy nose! what a gazer
Thou art upon me because I notice Thy wanderings on Gwibir Vynyd...
Which is quite a curious statement, because why would a real life 6th century chieftain not only present a British God with a dog (unless it was a sacrifice), but that particular hound?
It also seems quite awkwardly placed. In the lines leading into it, the dialogue is all about a terrible battle at Caer Vandwy (God's Peak Fortress), wherein few survived. Gwyn ap Nudd witnessed it all, as he was there in his official capacity as God of the Underworld. (This battle is also mentioned in the Arthurian legend The Spoils of Annwn, where we're told only seven survived amidst both armies.)
So it's 'blah, blah, lots of dead British people, blah, blah, battle - oh! By the way, do you like the lovely dog that Maelgwn Gwynedd gave me? Dormarth's the leader of my pack of Cwn Annwn, you know!' At least that's how it reads to me.
Gwyddno - the 6th century chieftain of a flooded region, which was said to have been located where Cardigan Bay now lies - agrees that the dog is very nice, and comments that he's seen Dormarth running around Gwibir Vynyd (Mountain in the Clouds). Then the conversation promptly switches to the Battle of Arfderydd.
This was a real world clash, dated to circa 573 CE, wherein two chieftains of the Old North slogged it out for sovereignty over a region stretching from Lancashire to Strathclyde, i.e. nowhere near Gwynedd. Though I have recently read at least two attempts to relocate it there, and one which reworked the dates from the Annals Cambraie in order to have Maelgwn fighting at Arfderydd, despite historians generally agreeing that he died nearly thirty years before.
However, one aspect might be relevant. Arfderydd is mostly famous for being the battle after which Merlin went mad. But It's also a renowned clash between a Pagan and a Christian chieftain, seen as one of the earliest such which may have had as much to do with religion as territorial gains.
It's the Pagan leader Gwenddoleu whom Gwyn ap Nudd mentions in the poem, after they've finished talking about Maelgwn's gift of an otherworldly dog. A link is implied, if not directly stated, between Gwenddoleu and Maelgwn.
However, I'd read it all much more specifically than that. To my mind, Gwyn ap Nudd is saying that Maelgwn's gift is to provide protection for the spiritual realm. The fact that the symbolism is a dog could be a play on Maelgwn's own name - Princely Hound, or Warrior Hound - or else could invoke the notion of a guard-dog. Both work and both were probably intended.
And the necessity for Maelgwn's role comes in the fact that Britons are battling Christians and invaders. Unless I'm reading too much into it.
(Another avenue of investigation may be the fact that St Kentigern (trans. Hound Chieftain), aka St Mungo, the legendary founder of Glasgow, was also said to have been at the battle of Arfderydd. The stories attached to him often run so parallel to those told about Maelgwn, that some are downright identical.)
The fact that it's Gwyddno speaking here could also be significant. Melkin's Prophecy states that Britons will never want for water (Britannia will indeed rule the waves). Gwyddno's lands were flooded into oblivion. However water was very sacred to the ancient Cymry. Wells, lakes and rivers tended to be populated with their own deities, and provided access to the spiritual realms. 'Water' could very easily be a metaphor for the Druidic religion.
Moreover, Gwyddno is generally viewed as the (adopted) grandfather of Taliesin. The Welsh Bardic tradition did more than anything else to preserve the legends and histories of the Old Religion, and Taliesin was its undoubted champion.
And he too had a significant series of encounters with Maelgwn Gwynedd.
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JoHarringtonMar 6, 2015
frankbeswickJan 27, 2015
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frankbeswickJan 24, 2015
We have to be aware that aristocrats have been known to co-operate with invaders to keep their land, and the invaders often see them as useful allies. The Saxon thanes went along with William, though it did not help them in the long term.
JoHarringtonJan 16, 2015
I'm quite used to blanks, given the number of times that Welsh and Marches documentation has been destroyed over the years. But this one appears Norman related, hence you'd have expected some survival. Unless it's old Henry Tudor to blame again.
And yes, re what Frank wrote regarding what happens to names under Occupations. It happens across the board - look at Romanisations under the Roman Occupation etc. Plus you have another factor, which is older names appearing in their Latin form, when it's only ever monks recording them.
JoHarringtonJan 16, 2015
You do have me thinking through. Have you ever heard of anything involving the Mortimers and the Arthurian legend? Call it a hunch.
frankbeswickJan 14, 2015
I agree that the name Mortimer's Cross precedes the battle, as battles take their names from existing landmarks.
petergodfreyJan 13, 2015
JoHarringtonJan 13, 2015
JoHarringtonJan 13, 2015
The Dream of Rhonabwy was written so late that it could have incorporated colours already known to be Mortimer.
petergodfreyJan 13, 2015
frankbeswickJan 13, 2015
JoHarringtonJan 13, 2015
I've just had a quick look into the origin of the Mortimer family. It seems that their name came from a village in Upper Normandy called Mortemer (Morte Mer). This was once Gaul, so the no-one had to come from Britain to be Brythonic. Still no evidence that someone so high in Norman society was ever a Celt.
I see Mortimer's Cross and think of the battle. I've been there, and seen the cross, without ever once thinking of its etymology. I just assumed a cross positioned on Mortimer lands, in the vicinity of Croft Castle. Now you've got me thinking. Do you know a story here?
JoHarringtonJan 12, 2015
And YES! Talking history is one of my favourite passtimes in all the worlds.
frankbeswickJan 8, 2015
There were also Bretons among William's men, and some of these could have Celtic names. Many of the Bretons were killed at the Battle of Hastings, but not all, and there would have been reinforcements coming in throughout the years.
Don't you love talking history!
JoHarringtonJan 8, 2015
JoHarringtonJan 8, 2015
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PeterJan 1, 2015
JoHarringtonSep 4, 2014
But then Druidry always changed with their times, insofar as we can see. It muddied the history, but certainly revitalized the tradition.
frankbeswickSep 3, 2014
JoHarringtonSep 3, 2014
MBCSep 3, 2014
JoHarringtonAug 2, 2014
And thanks for reminding me about the Staffordshire tumuli. I'd forgotten about them.
frankbeswickAug 2, 2014
Tumuli in Staffordshire could well be Mercian, as Mercia withstood Christianity until the death of Penda, but they could be older. There is also the suggestion that ancient tumuli were re-used in early Anglo-Saxon times.
JoHarringtonJul 9, 2014
I stumbled across some tumuli in Staffordshire last Solstice. I thought I was meandering onto a ridge, then crested it and looked. There were three, quite large ones too. No way of knowing at this point whether they were Cornovii or Mercian.
frankbeswickJul 9, 2014
Tumulus burials were used in England by early Anglo-Saxon pagans, eg Sutton Hoo. Sometimes the Angles and Saxons re-used old tumuli. Sometimes a place with the suffix low or law means burial mound [though it can denote a small hill.]. In old English it was leaw.
JoHarringtonJul 8, 2014
I often venture near Rhuddlan. I might go and see what remains of her tumulus and legend there. That's right in Avalon territory, as highlighted by Blake and Lloyd. Thanks for looking into this for me.
JoHarringtonJul 8, 2014
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frankbeswickJul 8, 2014
The second makes her daughter of Maelgwyn of Gwynnedd, and she had a husband, so no virgin. She is buried in a tumulus at Rhuddlan. Christians did not use tumulus burials, so she is far more likely to have been a druidess rather than a Christian. This is the Eurgain of Llaneurgain. I think that her legend might have got mixed up with some local pagan deity, possibly worshipped at a local spring or sacred site.
frankbeswickJul 8, 2014
EmberJul 8, 2014
JoHarringtonJul 8, 2014
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on St Eurgain. I've not delved deeply into her history yet, but the cursory look spoke volumes to me. However, I'm always prepared to be swayed in the opposite direction too. I think it can be a mistake to assume that EVERY early Welsh saint was really a Pagan deity/cleric in disguise.
frankbeswickJul 8, 2014
It is clear that paganism survived the advent of Christianity. Even in the East, it persisted despite the efforts of Byzantine emperors to make it hard for pagans, and in the West it was even stronger. Don't be too surprised when I say that I know that several saints are pagan deities in disguise. Christian historians know this. I am afraid that Christian clergy have sometimes been persecutors which is why many pagans disguised their beliefs, but as you know, I went to theological college, so I have no illusions, and power hungry clerics are well known to me.
JoHarringtonJul 8, 2014
I do want to have a good catch up with you. It feels like a million years since we lasted canted! Being away + being exhausted/ill will do that.
EmberJul 8, 2014