Federal Senator Nick Xenophon is no stranger to the fight against gambling. Some might say that it's his personal crusade in politics. But until now his focus has been the big concerns, like betting shops and huge poker games.
Only now his attention has been caught by a series of high-profile stories involving young Runescape players. Huge bills have been run up on their parent's credit cards, as they spin the wheel for in-game profit.
In private correspondence, Xenophon's spokesperson Anna Gordon explained, "According to gambling research experts, fantasy-based games like Runescape are as addictive as poker machines because they operate on the same processes, especially as some games allow players to bet using real money through credit cards or PayPal.
"However, because any credits or ‘winnings’ can’t be cashed-out the games are exempt from Australia’s Interactive Gambling Act."
It's precisely this law which Xenophon is seeking to amend. He will be introducing his proposal to his fellow legislators, when the Australian Parliament meets in February 2013.




The Interactive Gambling Act, in Australia, provides the framework within which companies can offer gambling services on-line. If money can be won or lost, then it's covered by the legislation, but only if the rewards are real world.





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JoHarringtonFeb 26, 2014
FargyFeb 26, 2014
Nothing like your MediaWatch group. But I was wondering if you had something similar to ours.
JoHarringtonFeb 26, 2014
I'll go and check it out, and alert my Runescape friends to it too. <3
Oooh! It sounds like you're getting somewhere! Thanks for continuing the good fight, long after the rest of us burned out and gave up.
FargyFeb 26, 2014
Some small news. Which I've put on http://www.reddit.com/r/newscape/new/
If you've got any mad Reddit friends who want to read 300 articles about Runescape, tell them to have a peek. :)
I write about 3 a day, it takes minutes and is about the same creation ratio of my Runescape forum posts. Admittedly some are just links and a title.
Anyhow a lovely gent from the UK Gambling Commission sent me a link for UK based gaming gambling which the imminently defunct Office of Fair Trading had some jurisdiction over.
http://www.oft.gov.uk/news-and-updates/press/2014/05-14?utm_source=EB%20100214&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=fair%20trading#.Uw3SqeOSxvA
JoHarringtonFeb 25, 2014
*hugs*
And no, I don't worry about your lovely self, unless you actually send up a flare. Then it's MAN DOWN and me rushing in with emergency ppots and sharks.
FargyFeb 25, 2014
I love a chat. Mostly to myself on Reddit lately
http://www.reddit.com/r/newscape/new/
Not sure why I'm building up that body of ideas, it's fun but I've no reason to do it. Sometimes you just gotta do what you do.
If you ever worry about my rationality, don't be a'feared, everything is cool and clear. I worry that I make people worry, because I can be a little intense and a little different.
Your chat about the Titanic has proven involving. I wonder what the drivers for that are. Something about our sexual roles, but I'm still entangled in the bits and pieces.
Thanks for everything Jo, you've been and continue to be, an amazing little sprite.
*hugs*
JoHarringtonFeb 25, 2014
FargyFeb 24, 2014
It was a nice surprise to see this pop up in one of my scrying pools,
http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=794474ac-1586-493c-84d9-e47aea247e52
I'll always believe in the power of having a chat.
JoHarringtonNov 28, 2013
FargyNov 28, 2013
Hopefully by March-April something grows of it.
JoHarringtonNov 28, 2013
FargyNov 28, 2013
JoHarringtonNov 28, 2013
FargyNov 28, 2013
Thank you for that piece of news. I'll continue knocking on doors over in Singapore then.
One day this will be over and long gone, and I think I'll be happy I did what I do.
JoHarringtonNov 28, 2013
FargyNov 28, 2013
JoHarringtonNov 28, 2013
FargyNov 28, 2013
Singapore likes order and I think I can help them order the chaos of online gambling, by enlisting the aid of their real world casinos. To me it's a natural alliance, governments shouldn't want money leaving their country untaxed, unregulated and for no benefit to the country, only costs. And brick and mortar casinos should feel a little envy at the lack of costs that online casinos and gambling games like Runescape have.
It's just an idea, it'll be fun to see if I can breath some life into it.
JoHarringtonNov 28, 2013
FargyNov 28, 2013
I just go where the wind blows me, and it blows a Singaporean air now.
A benevolent dictatorship I've heard Singapore described as. No idea what it looks like.
JoHarringtonNov 28, 2013
FargyNov 28, 2013
I agree Ash is alright. Good people.
JoHarringtonNov 28, 2013
ModAsh is lovely.
FargyNov 27, 2013
Mod Ash @JagexAsh 10h
@Fargrist I've sent it to our MTX designer. I'll let you know what I hear back.
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FargyNov 27, 2013
It brings other things into consideration, like display of game time cards in stores. The cards would need changing and the location of them too. Probably going to effect quite a few other things.
JoHarringtonNov 27, 2013
FargyNov 27, 2013
http://www.reddit.com/r/newscape/comments/1rjjuf/runescape_to_become_ma15_in_south_australia/
JoHarringtonNov 19, 2013
FargyNov 19, 2013
The story might be better if I did. It would certainly be more fun even if the reefs were all around.
You are a shipmate true and true. So while we dance through the rigging in the salt air spray, it's been a joy to talk here, to sing out the 'wares and soundings. For me for sure, for you hopefully. :)
JoHarringtonNov 19, 2013
FargyNov 19, 2013
At a crossroads for a bit, working on Sleep of Fall, got 5 Runescape/MMO ideas to write down, and working on the house (it was built in 1909) and sorting out our fund raising and night games at the club.
The weather here is divine. The year here has been a happy one. In a perfect world Jagex would contract me for three months to sort their direction out. I like people thriving, and that includes making money. Instead, I am their Adversary, their Outcast.
*grumbles*
On pure math there will be zero members in Runescape in less than two years. Losing 1000 members per day right now. I was hoping the rate would have slowed over the last year, and it has, but it's still at killer levels. In three days new game controllers get released with games like Assassin's Creed ~ Black Flag coming out at the same time.
In Feb all the year long memberships expire. Next year Elder Scrolls Online is released as an MMO.
So normal external factors are contributing, but what's probably doing the most damage is the internecine war between EoC and 2007 and the development thinking that led to that creation, and the others like SoF and Bonds.
And externally again, players like myself, or bugabuse, or haxunit, or the falsely banned, in short the disaffected.
I see goldfarmers differently because they thrive on a thriving game. It's in their interest for the game to grow. Whereas the others listed above take it more personally. For one huge example the 2007scape survey that showed about 90,000 members that would not play EoC, they restarted instead. Out of 460,000 members that's a huge chunk. And we know people don't like restarting, the Prestige Poll showed that.
At first glance it looks unfixable. And maybe it is, it certainly is if Jagex doesn't change what they do.
JoHarringtonNov 19, 2013
FargyNov 18, 2013
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/19900193/sa-to-set-new-rules-around-gambling-apps/
JoHarringtonNov 14, 2013
MMOs and television programmes have always been escapism, to salve minds which are exhausted by reality.
FargyNov 14, 2013
Journey shows us that, without even letting players talk.
But even in the more traditional one-directional stories we see evolution of imagination.
Shows like Wilfred, Simpsons, South Park; assume the parts of a dog, an idiot and children to tell the story of the world. That assumption of innocence seems to appeal to viewers. It means we seek it. Maybe we are sick of the story told by the world news.
Other stories like American Dad also assume innocence, although in this case it's the innocent enthusiasm of a patriotic murdering CIA apparatchik.
These stories are popular despite the formulaic approach of television production. It shows imagination finds a way.
MMOs are, to me, very formulaic, they have thrived because players create their own story and forgive the basic staging.
But imagine if players could create their own Wilfreds and other imaginations in an MMO.
It wouldn't need much. Minecraft has the beginnings of it. A childlike innocence to the story, but the important part is that the player gets to create.
I think the evidence is there, that players want imagination. Both to experience it and display it. To see into other worlds, like you saw into your pen-pals world.
We have the tools, we just need the imagination.
JoHarringtonNov 13, 2013
I had an Australian pen-pal when I was a teenager. It was quite exotic conversing with someone on the other side of the world. I now do that on a regular basis, all day long, if I wish. I'm having a practically real time conversation with you now. That's the difference of the internet, with MMOs and Facebook just being its expression.
FargyNov 13, 2013
Facebook is at its peak I think and that whole capitalism thing is setting to work on making people pay to use it. Which increases the cost and decreases the use.
But the ability for Facebook to show how we can be a Global village, with everyone just a click away, that's starting to illuminate the promise of the internet. When we first logged into an online game and thought wow that character over there is another real person.
I think MMOs can do more, in all sorts of ways. They give a reason for people to come together and they can help people, which people will pay for. And they could do it in a fun, complex and interesting environment.
JoHarringtonNov 13, 2013
The MMO wasn't nearly explored enough, before the stamp of Capitalism kicked it in the teeth. It was a good idea which is yet to fully see its day.
FargyNov 13, 2013
And I keep thinking the MMO isn't fully explored.
JoHarringtonNov 13, 2013
I didn't know that they were involved with Burning Man. That worries me.
FargyNov 12, 2013
But it can't hurt to try a few ideas out. Google has the equipment and money. Perhaps I can sell them on the idea of a World Game, that unites people from any part of the world.
They are into Burning Man, so maybe they do have the odd candleflame of idealism still burning in their hearts.
JoHarringtonNov 12, 2013
Wow! You've seriously gone for it. Go you! But you want Google to get into gaming? *shudders*
FargyNov 12, 2013
I've emailed Google with ideas about how an MMO could work, no reply but it's fine, just typing things out helps clarify ideas. All part of practicing writing. 15 articles to go for my target. Only 480+ to catch you up. :P
JoHarringtonNov 12, 2013
I'd love to see Runescape turn hard to starboard and not only miss the ice, but find its way back home again. But it won't happen as long as the directors care more for the bottom line - increasing it, even at the detriment of their product - than they do for the game itself. They don't believe in magic. They can't see it. They can't grasp that it even existed. They'll walk away laughing as RS plummets under the surf.
Another article for you. What would happen if, after RS has been run into the ground and is twitching mostly abandoned on the floor, there was a player-base buy out? What then?
FargyNov 12, 2013
Trouble is nobody I've contacted at player support (Harriet Lester and so on) is willing to help, so it obviously is a management decision. Mark Gerhard probably, as I do email the Jagex directors from time to time.
In the past, a small project for me was three months and $400k, with a large project being 5 years and $250million. Those jobs gave me some satisfaction. But I am actually finding this project more interesting. Not just because the odds are against me, but because in MMOs we have something that could be marvellous.
I'd really like to help that progression, that evolution of how people play. I think getting rid of the gambling component is a small part of that puzzle.
We have more to do after that.
Maybe Runescape will be part of that, maybe not, but it has the existing framework to be something bigger. Rather than have to build something up from the ground again.
That ability to engage from around the world. For people to play together. That's magic.
When I think of those possibilities, nothing else is visible. Petty revenge matters not.
Jagex will unban us one day.
JoHarringtonNov 12, 2013
That just smacks of revenge to me.
FargyNov 11, 2013
And they don't have much time until the final analysis. Two years tops at current loss of memberships.
It doesn't help they have people like me, and worse, after them. But they can't quantify that, so we are invisible costs to them.
What's puzzling is Mark Gerhard said we are free to start new characters but he wouldn't even think of unbanning us. Pride is the only reason I can think of.
Which makes me prideful and indignant *struts angrily*. Nah.
Just makes me sad, it makes a sad ending for Runescape much more certain.
JoHarringtonNov 11, 2013
It's quite illuminating, when you lay the figures out starkly like that. But then 2007 was always about much more than combat. The charm lay in people choosing their own way to play the game. Everyone had their route, but could interact with each other too. It was a fully working world, with the mixture of personalities which that entailed. Not a limited world pandering to just one type of person.
I hope they realise that in the final analysis.
FargyNov 11, 2013
And I don't see those old reasons popping up in there. Things like the PvP.
There must be considerable overlap with some players probably assuming things like the combat system and then picking their favourite on top of that.
On face value 60% of one third of members still rate the combat system as their highest reason for being on OSRS. Which after today's drop of 10k members is 465,606.
After the accounting...93,121 members are avidly opposed to EoC, they rate it as their highest reason for being on OSRS.
That goes some way to explaining the community friction.
Speaking of which I have a few people that stalk me since I started posting on Reddit. I think they want me to stop and are trying to talk me into stopping, or abuse me into it.
I don't think they realise how much I enjoy this struggle against corporate blindness. Holy crap it's 3:30 am. Woops.
Thanks for everything.
JoHarringtonNov 11, 2013
http://gyazo.com/12544fa373f674651191f035d0d2fb35
FargyNov 11, 2013
So far 94% male of 200+ votes, and some other interesting info...
http://services.runescape.com/m=poll/a=12/c=Uv2x9-b0H5o/oldschool/results.ws?id=697
FargyOct 8, 2013
By the way I wrote an article on cities and not sure where to put it, I put it in immigration but that doesn't feel right. Could you suggest a better spot?
Here it is...
http://wizzley.com/a-timely-tale-of-three-cities/
JoHarringtonOct 8, 2013
FargyOct 7, 2013
Life is bloody marvellous. Sydney was very pleasant in the Randwick area. Not sure about the rest of Sydney. Tourism articles should do alright, I like Bill Bryson as a travel writer. Always gets a laugh out of me.
JoHarringtonOct 7, 2013
It sounds like you've had a great time in Sydney. My plans are for some articles here on Poland. Apparently it's a virgin category, so I have a full run at topics! There's already a few on Australia though: http://wizzley.com/articles/best/?cat=324&level=2
FargyOct 7, 2013
*grumbles*
I had a lovely five days in Sydney, just sat around playing with the kids and going for walks in the parklands. And watched the Australian Rugby League grand final. Was a good game.
Anyhow tomorrow start with my articles again, and I'll flesh out the idea I have for my fiction. Chatted about in depth with my sister and brother in Sydney, was fun chatting over some wine and beers about fun things.
JoHarringtonOct 7, 2013
Jad - I failed several times there and never did get my fire cape! In fact, I was crap at combat full stop, being prone to panicking at the salient moments. Did I ever mention my 75 attempts at Nomad before I beat him?
FargyOct 7, 2013
FargyOct 1, 2013
I love the bohemian, slightly run down feel of Melbourne, it's the home of a friend of 45 years.
She's a crazy wild.
Melbourne is known for having four seasons in one day, seems you got winter yesterday. :)
FargyOct 1, 2013
Back in WoW my priest had 80 keybinds. It depended on what role he had and so forth. But you need a speech program to play WoW in groups, and you need to group if you want to play most content. Typing isn't possible with the amount of clicking going on.
I always get really hyper before intense combat sessions, my hands shake. Always makes Jacqui giggle. It is engrossing though, the longest fight I ever had was in a RTS called Dark Reign. Five hours of fighting and then we called it a draw, was shaking at the start and the end. The time disappeared in what seemed like seconds.
In some cases there seems a barrier that needs to be crossed. People need help to learn how to do things. Barbarian Assault was a perfect example, if you helped people any group of level 70s could get to the Queen. If you didn't have the patience for that it was just an everlasting mess of quitters.
Content like Jad highlighted that too. Because it was solo and there was no training for it, intitially the fire cape was a sign of a good clicker, but then those who were excluded started getting friends to "help" do it. And then the fire cape was needed for a task, and it became worse.
I think anyone can enjoy that intense combat arena, it spikes the adrenaline, but you need friends, you need a wading pool if not friends.
Was a great storm, not perfect, needed more thunder and lightning. But the gale was so strong I felt the bed shake as I was sitting on it. It felt like a mini earthquake.
Come to Australia!
*sings*
You might accidentally get killed
Your blood is bound to be spilled
With fear your pants will be filled
Australia! It's to die for!
JoHarringtonOct 1, 2013
The storm sounds amazing! *watches the video* Remind me never to come to Australia.
FargySep 30, 2013
Well I guess in an ideal parallel world there would be 50% females. Which isn't that far from 9%, but I suspect that 9% is quite low for a computer culture activity which has no physical barriers. Might have some cultural barriers that stop some women who might believe it's nerdly.
But there are plenty of men who think the same thing.
The competitive nature of high scores and beating your buddies might be what draws more males to RS.
It's more likely the unbalanced community makes women feel awkward when they first play, that whole " buying gf " thing and the "omg it's a girl!".
Personally I'd advertise to 30 year old women if I was Jagex. But they would have to lose the whole keyboard mashing combat, so that keyboards could be more used for chatting.
...and then the power went out.
We had an awesome night here, 120 kmph winds took out the power and we had a dust storm in the middle of the night followed by rain.
We sat out under the carport, it was like being in a drive-in cinema from years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNEeq5qGh8I
JoHarringtonSep 30, 2013
My Mummy warned me about men saying things like that last line. :p
FargySep 30, 2013
The youtube owner can do a statistics chart and the owner posted it. So it assumes youtube viewers are the same population as rs players.
Anyhow youtube thought the viewers were 91% male and of the 9% females most were in the 30-40 age group.
Alexa gives a breakdown but says RS female to male ratio is the same as general internet ratio. Which is vague.
Alexa is good to have a peek at, google trends is handy too. I like how the growth of WoW and Runescape mirror each other.
I'll take a look around see if i can find that site again.
Cheers.
I wrote two new articles today, I'm not fussed about quality yet, it's not as deeply woven as I'd like but...
Never mind the quality, feel the width.
JoHarringtonSep 30, 2013
Where are you getting the RS demographical information from? I'd be interested to read that. It seemed to me that there were as many females and males playing, at least in my clan. Though how representative of the whole that was, I don't know.
FargySep 28, 2013
I agree, it's about gender. We don't see females in these sorts of sports for the most part and not ever on a more popular level. People want to see men contend, and men want to contend to find their place in the hierarchy, the pecking order.
Which ties into Runescape having 90% males. And why RS content gravitates to killing stuff.
And that tie shows why I love MMOs so much. Society in a walnut shell. A cosm writ nut size.
It's that gravity well of MMO to sport that is killing RS. It should have kept a few different paths as options. For example a place of learning as well as fun.
JoHarringtonSep 28, 2013
FargySep 28, 2013
Cricket isn't bad either, I prefer batting. Taking bat to ball is thrilling.
Oddly enough no team I've captained ever lost a game. Drew games but never lost, didn't realize that until a year or so ago. I think that I have odd competitive streak where I love winning but need to make sure everyone wins. No business team I led ever failed either, but that's nowhere near as exciting as sport.
Grabbing an opponent while both of you are hurtling at full speed and tossing them in a tackle is exhilarating. Roar like a tiger caveman like fun. Better than sex for men of that age and disposition, of which I was one.
And that's a secret peek in to the world of men.
Time for some beer and pasta. *grunts and scratches, and readjusts tackle*
:)
JoHarringtonSep 28, 2013
Male bonding rites sounds like an article for you, not me. I'm a woman. ;)
Congratulations on your team winning. :D
FargySep 28, 2013
You should write an article on the ritual of sharing this drink.
It is almost religious, actually probably is, given that Jesus was into sharing food and drink but tended to wine-drinking. Which is probably what made him unpopular.
And of course I'm sure that beer served a part of history in many other cultures, but the sharing of it amongst men is interesting.
There are many other rituals involving brewing and the wild consumption of the results.
I'm still drunk from today's golf and watching the Australian Rules Grand Final. Hawthorn won, in a close and hard fought game. So I don't want to spoil my immersion by examining the issue too closely.
Might immerse myself in another beer, or immerse it inside me.
Hope that helped.
By the way, it's your round.
JoHarringtonSep 28, 2013
FargySep 27, 2013
Brings a tear to the eye it does.
JoHarringtonSep 27, 2013
It sounds like there's another article in your Reddit wanderings. A nice companion piece to Paul's writing!
Each time your article is opened up, or refreshed, it registers another impression. Your unique users tell you how many of those are by different people.
FargySep 27, 2013
And it's time for me to head to bed. Golf in a few hours and this old bean ain't what he used to be being.
I do appreciate your help and given the chance would give you a thankful hug. Been terrific.
Night, night.
FargySep 27, 2013
And had some more chats with Reddit moderators. They are quite okay. I was wondering why a link didn't work so I did the sensible thing and kept trying, which made matters worse. :)
JoHarringtonSep 27, 2013
Let me know if you want me to check if your Reddit posts are public.
You're not distracting me at all. I've only just come in from the shop! :D
FargySep 27, 2013
I may try a short article in r/games and see what happens, just a text one to see if I'm fine.
:) Hope I don't step on any more toes.
And then I'll try the article addons.
Or I may do it the other way around.
Hope I'm not distracting you overly much.
JoHarringtonSep 27, 2013
If you go into the YouTube video or image modules though, you do have pull down menus, which expand or retract them.
No stress! This is fun. :D
FargySep 27, 2013
FargySep 27, 2013
I really have no idea what I'm doing on Reddit, but it'll slowly soak in.
I'm trying to centre that pic in a txt module but I can't find a drop down menu you mentioned to select full page.
JoHarringtonSep 27, 2013
FargySep 27, 2013
I fiddled around with Reddit and got Automoderated because I exceeded some unknown parameters, thankfully a moderator has tidied the mess up a bit.
Not sure what happened there. But they seem a nice mob.
Here are my stats so far...
9 Pages - 3104 Impressions - 2202 Unique visitors - 2202 Visitors/7d - 2202 Visitors/30d - 2202 Visitors/90d
Which I think is marvellous, and due to my Reddit posts that had the wizzley link. And then lead to my Automoderation. :)
I think I'll try one link per week. See how that goes, then try two. But there is no rush.
JoHarringtonSep 27, 2013
Paul (another ex-RS player!) has some tips here: http://wizzley.com/reddit-tips-and-tricks-for-wizzley-writers/
FargySep 27, 2013
Not too sure on the voting thing, the r/runescape mob love downvoting me. *shrug*
Thanks for the Pixabay tips!
I will go try realign this picture. *gets crowbar out*
JoHarringtonSep 27, 2013
To be honest, I've never had a problem getting a top quality free picture from the bottom rows. ;)
If you want a picture in the centre, then use the image module. You can faff with the HTML in a text module, but presumably you don't want text around it. Hence it's easier just to go with an image module. Remember to choose 'full page' in the pull-down menu. It automatically centres it.
Article list: Just add the article module, then copy in your URLs. :D
FargySep 27, 2013
FargySep 27, 2013
Whew.
I shall have to wander the beach of Pixa Bay.
JoHarringtonSep 27, 2013
As for timing, in November 2012, I wrote 56 Wizzley articles in a single month. You have that to beat. *smirk* I'd get some variation in your images though. As pretty as your fizzog is, this is the Age of Pinterest. Pictures ftw!
Pixabay have some royalty-free images to plunder: http://pixabay.com/
FargySep 27, 2013
I've got the Fargrist website name, may get around to writing a site up, been years since I did one, and I feel very reluctant to. And then there is the whole web host thing.
I'd love to make some pocket money from Wizzley. But it's not urgent. I want to get to a reasonable product line, say 50 or so articles, and then maybe assess my strategy.
I like a sparse advertising look that has a clear connection to the discussion.
I'm not sure if Google Ad sense will do that, and the mouseover thing I still remember.
Decisions, decisions. I'm at 10 articles, so maybe in two months or so I'll have 50 and can restructure then.
Some of this is frustrating, the Amazon signup was. -.- But at the same time it is fun.
Thanks for all the help.
JoHarringtonSep 27, 2013
I'm intrigued by the 'Angry Gamer' article now!
Yes, Chitika does the mouseover things, but you can opt whether to switch that on or off. Personally, I made more money when it was off!
FargySep 26, 2013
I enjoy writing more than the admin.
Oh, and after talking in the other post I wrote an "Angry Gamer" article. Don't look at it!
I'd love to see your perspective on such a topic, if you write one, and I don't want our streams of consciousness to cross beforehand.
Thanks for the links, I've yet to go to chitika, but simpler does sound tempting. Was Chitika that thing that gave mouseover links in the texts?
JoHarringtonSep 25, 2013
I don't know if Google will allow you to have Adsense on Wizzley alone. You may need your own website for that. But give it a go. If not, then your option is Chitika. http://wizzley.com/make-money-chitika-wizzley/
Enjoy your ice cream. I'll read your Wizzography when I've finished my latest article.
FargySep 25, 2013
Wrote a Wizzography, and I'll try some fiction in a bit, but I hear some ice cream seductively calling my name right now.
Thanks again.
JoHarringtonSep 25, 2013
FargySep 25, 2013
JoHarringtonSep 25, 2013
FargySep 25, 2013
*peers in window*
*leaves note asking if we need a website the Amazon signup seems to ask for a specific website that one owns*
JoHarringtonSep 25, 2013
FargySep 24, 2013
Which reminds me of that lovely word, cariad.
Which reminds me of gym.
Monday nights is cardio.
I call it cardiac.
JoHarringtonSep 24, 2013
FargySep 24, 2013
JoHarringtonSep 24, 2013
A Wizzography is whatever you want it to be. It's 'no follow' in Google, hence it's the place where everyone spams their links! But it tends to be used as a biography or an extended introduction too. Treat it as somewhere people can come to see who you are.
I'm looking forward to reading your articles. Fiction doesn't go down so well at Wizzley. It's not really the platform for it.
What's your Reddit name?
Yes, I'm no great fan of the Don't Be Evil corporation for many reasons. But I like your 'life is but a game' outlook!
FargySep 24, 2013
Though I'm unsure if a Wizzography is a bibliography or a biography.
I think I've completed the profile on Wizzley. Unsure there too.
This first article I'll keep tinkering with for the fun of it. Then I'll think up four more topics.
Wizzography might be one, I'm thinking an ongoing fictional tale.
How to deal with Redditors that continually comment to you in the hope that you reply so they can downvote you some more might be another. :) Nah, Reddit's not that interesting really, but I'm sure I can find three other topics just on gaming.
Was interesting to read about your tribulations with the Don't Be Evil corporation. Here in Australia they earned a couple of billion last year and paid $74,000 in tax, basically not even enough to pay for the Tax Office to monitor them, let alone for roads and other utilities they use in Australia.
To me this is another game, where what is allowed by the rules is all fair. Even when the rule-maker and referee plays the game. *somewhere in the bowels of Google a siren begins to sound*
*goes on extended rant about how laws are rules of a game and how we must continually strive to create a fairer game, until Google police, the dreaded Googlice, arrive and storm his soapbox*
JoHarringtonSep 24, 2013
FargySep 23, 2013
Here is a poem encapsulating in a musical sphere one of my cerebral vectors on magical worlds...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRqs1L-Lj5M
JoHarringtonSep 23, 2013
Those are great first day stats!
FargySep 23, 2013
The results are quite good I think. I have a few Redditors that automatically downvote me when they see posts of mine, so the post won't be visible unless you change settings to see all posts no matter what votes.
The article got a couple of upvotes and about 7 downvotes which is enough to effectively hide it. Given that I have these fans, I am well pleased with the turnout. Reddit seems to have an attention span of a day at most, but it seems worth a try for articles you may write. Although individual reddits may have different rules on advertising and so on.
Thanks for all your support.
JoHarringtonSep 23, 2013
FargySep 23, 2013
It's OK if you fell asleep reading. :P
JoHarringtonSep 23, 2013
Fiction is discouraged on Wizzley, though I don't think it's actually banned. You can run with humour though! Like this: http://wizzley.com/how-to-cook-a-dragon/ Risk management and dragons sounds about perfect.
Sorry, I was halfway through reading your article yesterday, when I got called away. It was brilliant thus far though! I can see why you put it into MMO, but if you relocate it into Runescape, you may get more passing traffic. It's relevant for both.
FargySep 22, 2013
As to standard of my article this time, it's my usual half arsed job. I am an incredibly lazy person, I've taken slothing out on the lounge from mere reality unto a callipygian and surreal art form. People would pay to see.
That's not just the usual author's internal criticism. :)
But the main thing is I got some ideas down on paper, the easier ones anyhow.
I was thinking about writing about risk management next. I like chaotic things like safety and dragons.
By the way, can you write fiction here on Wizzley? Oh, and how does copyright work?
JoHarringtonSep 22, 2013
If you're looking to monetize your articles on Wizzley, then yes, you will need to sign up with all of the affiliates. But I'd get a handful of articles under your belt first. That way the likes of Amazon will know who they're taking on.
FargySep 22, 2013
http://wizzley.com/no-mmo-is-an-island/
I need to sort out registration with various groups like Amazon? No idea on that, as I've only written this piece.
JoHarringtonSep 21, 2013
FargySep 21, 2013
JoHarringtonSep 21, 2013
Yes, I'd heard about Josh Pillault. These are strange times.
FargySep 21, 2013
http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/02/second-teen-spends-months-in-jail-for-video-game-threat/
Another player from League of Legends had the same thing happen, apparently his $500,000 bail was paid anonymously though. Maybe Riot games paid.
Far as I know Josh is still imprisoned and pining for some RS perhaps.
I've been thinking on being a little more forthcoming on how I think RS could find reverse gear. At this stage going forward means 300 days or so then kaput. The trends are unpromising.
Which is fine because that means fewer Squeal players and my sole aim is to kill Squeal.
However you have been magnificent and I want to emulate your generosity of spirit, it takes a certain coldness to do what I've been doing, and my monomania is against such a kindness, but I think it would do me good, however much I resent Jagex for their treatment of Jacqui.
Where would you like me to post such an article?
JoHarringtonSep 14, 2013
Awww! Beautiful bardic rhymes
Wash away the sadness with the times!
FargySep 14, 2013
Here is another poem for you, made fresh for you this moment...
Everything dies.
Everyone lies,
No reasons why.
Snippets of truth
Like newspaper clippings
A bittersweet symphony
An unbearable lightness of being
I see
Poetry all around.
If sad you see it too.
Be a silly Seuss
And smile because it happened.
JoHarringtonSep 14, 2013
FargySep 14, 2013
JoHarringtonSep 12, 2013
FargySep 12, 2013
FargySep 12, 2013
Which means he could get them to support his anti-gambling legislation through both Houses.
*fingers crossed*
As of tomorrow Vivathia and Fargrist will have been banned for a year.
I'll celebrate with an email to the Runescape directors about Anniversary Enemies.
The gist of which will be something like this...
Some of the barriers to growth for Runescape are not obvious, for example, current players like fewer players, because it means less competition for resources, few competitors on the high scores. Whereas new players find competing on the high scores disheartening.
Then there are the bugabuse.net type people who caused two events this year.
Then there's people like me. One of my projects is about the closure of the RS forums.
Few reasons for that, Jagex will be thinking about it anyhow with the layoffs this month, the RS forums will never achieve their potential, there is no growth from the forums only cost.
With the forums gone there will be a culture shock. But perhaps just the concept will be enough to get people to start thinking about Runescape from a broader view. Along the lines of, we don't value things until we lose them.
And I sometimes pop in and annoy the Redditors on runescape. Part of my looking around for alternatives to a forum. Hi Rez studios did this a month ago, I doubt Reddit is viable for the purpose.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1jraz0/hirez_is_closing_down_their_official_forum_and/
Take care.
JoHarringtonAug 25, 2013
JoHarringtonAug 25, 2013
Thanks for the full text of the e-mail from Mark Gerhard. The latter, I've read before. The former was pretty much as I imagined. He must be inundated.
FargyAug 25, 2013
Please don’t take this the wrong way but I have no idea why you were banned or who you are, the player support department deal with all bans. I get thousands of player emails a day requesting everything from items to be restored to their inventory/bank to being unbanned because they were actually hacked and the perpetrator ‘botted’ on their account.
The player support team ban literally millions of players a year for a multitude of offences ranging from cheating, trolling, scamming, botting, offensive behaviour, community safety, gold farming, real world trading, etc, ect.
You are welcome to create a new account/s if you agree to abide by the Jagex T&C’s and intend to be a positive contributor to the community.
I simply can’t read all the emails let alone respond to them however rest assured my assistant does however forward all player ban request to the player support department.
I am however saddened to read that you feel the game is being “policed to death” or that you perceive Jagex as your enemy. I don’t believe that is true and its certainly not our intention but I believe RuneScape’s longstanding success is directly as a result of actively protecting the games integrity and ensuring the community’s safety a philosophy I’m not prepared compromise on.
Equally I’m troubled that you consider SoF ‘gambling’ where in reality it is absolutely no different to the existing drop table mechanic behind killing any monster in RuneScape, I’m conscious a few players have called the creative implementation into question and I suppose it’s not a helpful comparison when other companies do indeed use a similar spinning wheel device for what is very clearly a real gambling service, the team have a project slated this year to look at changing the implementation.
Thanks,
Mark
FargyAug 25, 2013
No director of Runescape has responded, apart from Mark Gerhard.
However, I did do a couple of tests, and I'm not blocked by them.
One test involved adding a jagex.com email addy as well, and that site blocked the email addy I used, but the directors didn't.
Another test with a different email addy of mine involved going hard at John Salter, for his clash of interest due to his ties to WoW. I got dirty and I got personal, after which John Salter blocked that email, but the others didn't. I went back to another email and kept talking. At this stage nobody has that email blocked.
Perhaps coincidentally my posts have lined up with some changes.
For instance my post suggesting that Jagex ask players which RS version they wanted after EoC launched and the forums erupted.
That email hit Jagex directors 3 hours before Jagex decided to ask players about rebooting an older server version. Possibly coincidental. But just my sending the emails changes things, I'm fairly simplistic that way, ask and ye shall be given.
From memory I gave you part of Mark Gerhard's email to me, may as well have the whole.
I'll add it to next post...
JoHarringtonAug 25, 2013
JoHarringtonAug 25, 2013
Tim Armstrong seems like an idiot.
Do the directors of Jagex ever write back? Thank you for writing to them.
FargyAug 24, 2013
I email the Runescape directors every so often, Mitchell left last month and was replaced by Farrell, so they get some turnover too.
When speaking to directors I keep messages short. Which is something I have to work at because one word connects to another and I want to say them all.
Last week's email was Trimester Septimation. This week will be New York State of Mind. A quick exploration of the reason why people play games and MMOs in particular, and why the thinking that proves efficient in New York business isn't good for MMOs, because the variety of players and their freedom, differentiates them from enclosed environments like the business that operates them.
Here is an example of what doesn't work for MMOs...
http://www.news.com.au/technology/biztech/ceo-of-aol-tim-armstrong-taped-firing-employee-for-snapping-his-photo/story-fn5lic6c-1226695231072
Yet this is what Jagex does.
Still searching for the small words. Fun increases funds?
JoHarringtonAug 24, 2013
JoHarringtonAug 24, 2013
Mark Ogilvie is like Teflon, he'll be there forever. And Mark Gerhard is the consummate politician. They'll get rid of all the little people first. Says I, stating the bloody obvious. They'll get rid of customer support. If there's no-one there to hear the complaints, then there will be no complaints.
Plus loads of promotions. So many promotions that you can hardly play for wading through them. And nice things to buy.
FargyAug 24, 2013
I'm gonna call it; I reckon Mark Gerhard or Mark Ogilvie will be gone by year's end.
Jagex must be of the school of thought that customers are a nuisance and that a perfect business has no customers. This thinking is already paying off, last month they sacked 23 employees: considerable savings gained already. :P
FargyAug 24, 2013
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1kz7aw/mod_bro_exemployee_at_jagex_runescape_ama_d/
I was going to ask how often players got banned for disagreeing with Jagex, but he got banned before I got home from golf.
AMAA is Ask Me Almost Anything. He said some stuff of interest, but most telling was how the AMAA was interfered with. Jagex and its defenders continue to kill discussion and Runescape.
Been thinking about googling Google or similar and seeing what fingers they have in the gaming pie, because I believe that MMOs haven't been fully explored. At all.
The ruination of Runescape must be intentional.
JoHarringtonAug 23, 2013
I've spent the afternoon writing articles. Not exactly the shock result there, given that's what I do every day!
I though you meant that this was Vivathia singing! I was going to compliment her on her voice. Awww! You pair are so romantic.
I feel like I should reply with music too. This has no greater meaning in context than it was what I was listening to, when I paused to hark your videos. Have a bit of Blue October: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weylpj-GCFs
FargyAug 23, 2013
Spent the afternoon showing some schoolkids how to play lawn bowls, it was so much fun. They bounce around like rubber balls.
Listening to some music now with Vivathia. This is her song...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_1aF54DO60
I reply with...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj4q4rfDcNw
Which brings us back to fear, both songs deal with it. Uncertainty when faced with the future.
JoHarringtonAug 23, 2013
I remember the Poll Tax riots well, though I was just a tad too young to be allowed to go.
I do have to keep my Palantiri hidden and safe, as I live in Mordor. No, honestly I do. Apparently my 'hood, when viewed from a distance during the Industrial early 20th century, is what inspired Tolkien in his descriptions. One does not simply walk in Mordor around here. We're born and raised there. Hardcore.
*reads the news report about Jagex lay-offs* Oh no! It's Player Support being targeted this time! Those are the people whom I met, when I visited. They do an amazing job and have nothing whatsoever to do with SoF. It's sad to know that anyone is being made redundant in this economical climate, but this is bad on far more levels.
Player Support are the people who keep our player base safe, and able to log in etc. They're the hidden ones, who are nevertheless vital. *sigh* Apparently not vital enough.
Fear is a good emotion. It makes you alert and ready to survive the immediate danger. Panic is not. By its very nature, it's chaotic. Good for stirring stagnant pots, but combustible in one that's already overheating. Noobs.
FargyAug 23, 2013
And he ate them alive. :) He grew from the experience.
The Gunpowder Plot sounds like the frustrations unleashed by the Poll Tax, a tax on people for being poor. I hated that monstrosity.
Nowadays there are more powerful weapons than gunpowder though. There are mystical Palantiri through which smoky whispers of sussurating sibilance can find their targets.
I have one, and I suspect you do too. But I sometimes fall and transform into Grima, whereas you follow a better way. I wish I had your flair (and hair).
Hmm. Dark news from the crystal...
http://www.develop-online.net/news/45154/Jagex-set-for-new-round-of-layoffs
So far Jagex has laid off 23 in the last month. With more in 30 days I suppose.
Mark Gerhard was meant to be back from holidays on the the 23rd August. So maybe Monday we will hear more.
I sent an email to Runescape directors today, Trimester Septimation, the title. Asking why they wanted to lose 100k subs in the last three months. And what they plan to do about the decrease in interest in SoF buyables.
It's why they are sacking people.
It seems even corporate suits feel emotions like fear, but some react badly.
JoHarringtonAug 23, 2013
I think it was Goebbels who said that, if people fear, they can be persuaded to do and accept anything. He was probably not the first person in history to reach that conclusion - it's as old as humanity - but he perfectly articulated it. It's the best way to control masses of people.
Fortunately for all of us, Jagex cannot resort to frightening us. They can frustrate, bombard, indoctrinate, reason and lie to us, but that most effective persuasion would merely chase players away. Thank Guthix for small mercies.
And ah, Guthix....
One of the most dangerous things in the world - a perfect storm of a mistake - is to give something, then to take it away. The Gunpowder Plot, in Britain, happened not because of two generations of Catholic repression, but because King James gave the Catholics hope in the run up to his coronation. Then did a U-turn once he was on the throne.
Those who'd meekly bowed under every piled degradation, and accepted ever increasing limitations upon their lives, suddenly snapped. Suddenly it was unbearable. They'd rather die than submit to all that they'd born all their lives.
The example might be a little overblown in the comparison, but it's the same psychological triggers which I think Jagex pinged.
Once upon a time, there was a game wherein the inequities of real life didn't matter. You could reap what you sowed, regardless of worldly matters. The playing field was level. It allowed an escape from a physical life, where too much else was factored in - where the conditions into which you were born dictated all that could happen and the opportunities open to you.
In Gielinor, we all entered through Tutorial Island. Our destiny was our own. Nothing else had any bearing on the game.
Then it was taken away. Now logging on drags inside the notion that the rich kids get richer, and their passage through the grind is bought and paid for in advance. Where does that differ from reality? The real world invaded my Runescape and that's what hurt so badly.
Fortunately not enough for me to invest in 36 barrels of gunpowder!
FargyAug 22, 2013
It's human. We have needs, the most basic being internet access, but safety and security rank at a very basic level, let's return to Abraham Maslow's diagram...
http://9gag.com/gag/7028914
People will go to great lengths for safety; Great Wall of China, Hadrian's Wall, Maginot Line.
And by setting up rules that hold everybody in the grasp of the lowest imagination.
Fear sells. Which in our context we can use I suppose. With having lost 100k paying accounts in the last 3 months I'd imagine the Runescape directors are feeling a little trepidation. Not that they would ever show that, it's against the rules. And it's also why they make complaining about the loss of players against the rules; hiding all discussion behind a wall of compliant Fmods, who as Mod Crow stated, Jagex "implicitly trust".
But that only works in the part of the internet they control, which is pretty small. As if they could wall up their fiefdom from all reality.
This is one of the reasons why I love MMOs; there is no need to nail things down.
It's like bungee jumping without needing safety harnesses. We can satisfy our needs for confronting fears and exploring and growing; without too much real risk.
If players wanted a world of petty rule, they could log in to reality. And I suspect that's what's been happening as the player numbers drop.
JoHarringtonAug 22, 2013
Unfortunately history tells us that all governments would love a totalitarian state. It makes the populace so much easier to control. Jagex get this with no real expectation of having to allow something more democratic. They're a business at the end of the day.
However, this is a totalitarian state with voters. The subscribers can simply up stakes and relocate to the 'nation' of League of Legends or WoW. The one thing which would signal success for a dictatorship is the one thing which Jagex can never have - high walls to keep the people inside.
Which means that they do have to reach for something approximating democracy after all.
FargyAug 22, 2013
Botwatch. Hmm. I think it's been banning innocent players. No system is perfect, so to ban tens of thousands of accounts it has to have been banning players that were mucking around with TOR or VPNs or any other number of things.
That's just something we know with age, but to a young botwatchmaker it may seem an impossibility that he is wrong. I'd say most, if not all the watchmakers, are young invulnerable males.
Even at rates of 1 in a 1000 that's a lot of players getting kicked to the kerb. And the graphs don't discount that possibility. The bots come back very quickly, but always a bit less than the total prior to the bot ban, in that gap are the innocent players.
This is one part of it. How Jagex talks is another part. Let's hop over to LinkedIn, they've introduced a new thing called SWAM, Site Wide Auto Moderation. Basically moderators can ban LinkedIn users from all groups.
Moderators are loving it, they are taking out all their competitors including other moderators. This will rip LinkedIn to bits, but LinkedIn is deleting criticism of SWAM.
Basically this is how Jagex deals with criticism. LinkedIn better wise up or the same thing that's happening to Runescape will happen to them.
There is a lot that happens when people get together.
If they get together with Jagex it involves a lot of banning.
Although Mod Crow reckons;
"We only ban people who post negative feedback in a disrespectful and rude manner."
Which means he thinks Vivathia and I are disrespectful and rude.
Which is quite rude of him. :)
You can read more on Crow's thoughts here...
235-236-875-65115872
post by Victor Marte
Runefest Forum
"Ask My Questions At RunefestV2"
Bottom line is that is very difficult to drag people to the negotiating table sometimes. These PR people live in worlds of fantasy and disengagement where things are perfect.
It takes a cold bucket of real magic to wake them up.
Mod Ash is much better at this sort of stuff. Mod Peter was pretty good too. One could feel it from the words they typed. Mod MMG on the other hand.
One can understand reticence when it comes to Jagex talking publicly. Commercially sensitive information and all that palaver. But talking publicly is the way forward for Runescape.
JoHarringtonAug 21, 2013
Beautiful synchronicity in your 'magic happens' comment. Halfway across the world from you, my friend and I were having a discussion around the time that you were commenting here. (I didn't see it. My notebook was on the other side of the room.) We were talking about how most of a conversation is non-verbal, or in tone, or in expectations, etiquette, social rules and all those other things which wouldn't be apparent in a transcript. Magic does indeed happen.
We need our idealists, our dreamers and those with the vision and stamina to make frequent forays over the top. At the very least, they are an example to others. At the most, they are an inspiration and the catalyst of a revolution. Perhaps slightly hyperbolic for these circumstances, but only slightly.
Thank you for being our Padraig Pearse. I'll do my best to be Aneirin.
I know absolutely nothing about Divination. At least in a Runescape context! So it's a slow grinder, but you can attempt to speed things up with a bit of a gamble on the old Squeal of Fortune. Remind me again why I'm not despairing?
*reads the linked article* I hadn't considered the psychological angle, that paying money out kind of elevates the expectations in a game. Players start wanting IRL rewards, if they're forking out IRL cash. It will be interesting to see how that develops, though the research is always going to trail behind the actuality. The former relies upon data from the latter.
Whether the playground or the UN, communication is always key. By ignoring your player-base and stifling dialogue, then you miss all opportunities to foster loyalty. Discussion engages people. Silence disengages them. If you're seeking to monetize these individuals, then the last thing you want is them being disengaged.
You know the right thing to say to us ladies. LOL
FargyAug 21, 2013
Magic exists, it's what exists between people. Every time I laugh I know it exists, so don't put your wand away just yet.
My role in this play is to be Quixotic, to make the ammunition run dry with relentless charges from the trenches. From experience this can take a year or two. Then we can sit down and have a chat about possible futures. For now it means I'm fairly negative.
For example, Divination has a slow training rate, to make Squeal the fastest way for max capers to buy their capes back.
That's my cold eye.
I have offered the Runescape directors a summary of potential futures for Runescape, but I really wouldn't trust them to do it properly. I did give a list of requirements though.
There has to be a real dedication to discussing options, and that won't happen until the playerbase goes down a bit more and Squeal payments start drying up, either from player fatigue, as in...
http://www.osga.com/artman/publish/article_10693.shtml
Or things like Squeal becoming illegal.
The reason the dialogue has to start is that the key does lie in the players. I talk about Runescape all the time, not often to RS players though. Basically I dial someone up and ask them to try Squeal of Fortune out and see what they think. I don't have to rant about it, but it is fairly negative.
Basically I've said nothing positive and forward thinking because Jagex doesn't talk. So we are left to complain to emptiness and walk away to our various devious plots.
18 is roughly where I'm at in my head, it's the age I left home. And that change seems to have led to no change. :D
All you need is a broomstick and a black pointy hat. Perhaps a cauldron to cackle at?
Witches are everywoman, and ageless.
JoHarringtonAug 21, 2013
And I wish you'd write an article here, under the heading, 'If I Owned Runescape...' If you were suddenly given carte blanche to make your changes, and the workforce to enact them, how you'd guide our game back to safety. I'm asking mainly because I despair. I can't see how it could be brought back now. Is that my pessimistic side showing?
Yes, I know Southeaster, as he's right here on Wizzley. But the other two only by repute. That's a tremendous bit of detective work and mathematics that they've done for us.
Erk! You're not that much older than me, and you're a grandfather! I'm still about 18 in my head! Well, perhaps not 18... 30... 35 tops. Oh! I give up there too. *grows up* :D I've skipped the having kids bit, but I have two strapping nephews. I'm in severe danger of becoming a great-auntie within a decade or two.
Didn't great-aunties used to be old? >.>
FargyAug 21, 2013
You can see three big spikes like this.
The overall trend for this three months looks like a slow decline, but it's 100k lost over 3 months. A seventh lost. Charts over greater periods of time would show spikes down after EoC for example but no rebound. Each bot bust returns player totals to a lower level, that's expected. Some bot users give up, but I'd say a few innocent players are getting banned too. Has been an unusual amount of forum threads on official forums, and elsewhere, that didn't occur during big bot busts in past years.
Mordeth, and Kiwi Cacher are good with figures, from memory they take them at certain times from high scores and players online counts. Kiwi is good enough to automate this process. Hmm. Southeaster should be up to speed as well. I don't know any of these people but you may.
I remember talking to kids who had Runescape as a safe place. Where nights out after school were too dangerous; the back streets of Chicago, London and Washinton.
This is just one part of a possible future for Runescape, a place where people can be safe, can learn, can explore. There is so much more that it could be. And instead Jagex turned it a gambling craphole.
The figures that Mordeth has, show that Mark Gerhard and Mark Ogilvie have tenuous positions, and if I was Og I wouldn't have gone on holidays.
School starts in the US in a couple of weeks and about half of RS players are from the US. So we can expect another seasonal slide soon, I'm unsure about the Divination factor but at this stage the new skill won't bring players back.
I'm 50 :) Finished my first half century this year. And made Gramps status!! *struts* I started all the Gramps things, golf and lawn bowls and a bit of community work.
To Jagex I'm a loud mouthed slanderer of their good name. Able to be banned with impunity.
*is too lazy to climb on soapbox to rant about Jagex*
Maybe we can find Runescape another, inconclusive, but happier ending.
JoHarringtonAug 21, 2013
Though how on Earth are you old enough to be a grandpa? They were always much older than your photograph appears in my day. Mind you, old is increasingly getting young, as I go on. The police officers are starting to look embryonic....
Back to Runescape, I do love how players persist in making their views known about SoF. It just shows how much was invested in this game from a player base POV, that we do all keep harping on about it over a year after the fact. If it was a throwaway game, then we'd have all walked away without looking back in April 2012. But so much of our lives were enriched there.
This last weekend, I had a meet up with several friends, who travelled from all over the country. We camped out over a weekend and really enjoyed ourselves. We all met in Runescape, though none of us are still playing. Real life relationships were formed in those pixel streets, as you well know.
And Jagex wonder why we don't just shut up and go away.
You're not alone, Fargy, and you've never been boring at the party. :)
Mordeth's charts are quite eye-opening (and a little saddening, says the veteran RS player). Do you know where he's getting his figures from? And what is meant by 1st and 2nd derivatives? Thanks for showing us.
FargyAug 21, 2013
These are some of the reasons I'm cold eyed with Squeal.
Here is some news from 24th July 2013...Phil Mansell, RS Executive Producer, Ask Me Almost Anything on Reddit,
"We’re intending to keep the SOF doing broadly the same things that it does now, we have no plans for either an expansion or reduction in how it works."
Was in response to this question from /u/Jeraal_Mordeth, or Mordeth on the game...
" Is it at all possible that you'll remove the ability to obtain exp and RSGP from the Squeal of Fortune, or even remove the Squeal of Fortune entirely and focus on Solomon's General Store to bring in Micro-payment revenue?
That's honestly the only thing keeping me from coming back to the game for RuneScape 3 (I'd explain my reasoning in detail, but that would take up way too much space and could spark an off-topic debate).
I know this is a highly sensitive topic, but I am sincerely asking you for a direct, serious, and comprehensive answer; as what will most likely be my final request as a RuneScape player of more than eight years, *please do not evade or ignore this question.*"
~~~
Understandably some players in the thread discussing this were a little disappointed.
312-313-666-65076570 RS forums, SoF sub forum.
Naturally I've no plans to stop, my monomania keeps things simple. The Aussie election wraps up on Sept 7th, and Nick Xenophon should remain a Senator. And then we can get this warmachine rolling toward SoF again.
I apologise for my constancy, it can put people off, the whole keyboard warrior cliche etc. plus it makes me boring at parties.
Perhaps I should learn some magic tricks. Although I suspect Jagex would prefer I was a mime. :D
P.S. Mordeth has done some number crunching, enclosed for the fun of it...
http://i.imgur.com/ow936Zb.jpg
FargyAug 11, 2013
For me disappointment is strong. Runescape has a lot of promise, but its main strength, being a world of imagination, is being narrowed into being a monster bashing game, Whack a Mole of Diminishing Returns. It's losing the worlds of conversation, the forums are an aspect of that, where people leave the forums so they can talk about Runescape without interference. And where divergent opinions are told to adapt and quit. It's written adapt or quit, but pronounced "and".
Other aspects of the formerly huge social engine of Runescape remain unexplored. That's disappointing too.
Can it improve? Yep. But that conversation hasn't even started yet. To traction change would probably take 3 months, a couple of interns, a sticky forum thread and a budget not exceeding $100k.
We're watching Bridesmaids, unexpected goodness, while writing this, and one line rang an associative bell, "there is much more sense of community in coach". I wonder if that's the freeplay of RS. Community or social network or whatever it's called, is what this near future hinges on. And the people in first class talk about community without a clue.
Thanks for sharing a dime of time,
Fargrist and Vivathia
JoHarringtonAug 10, 2013
The thing is that dissenting RS players are seen as the enemy. We're not. Most of us love the game. We put many, many years of our lives into the game. Then became disillusioned, as money men came in from above and just destroyed all that we'd known and loved. Does that make us Luddites?
JoHarringtonAug 10, 2013
FargyAug 10, 2013
How Jagex talks.
SoF stands out because of moral issues. But essentially Jagex asked for Runescape to die by not asking players how RS could live. Having Twitter and the other rubbish isn't talking.
I'm just an accelerant for the inevitable. You totally misunderstand me if you think I support a diminishing player base. But that's okay, I'm misunderstood a fair bit in the first few meetings.
Jagex wanted a diminished player base by banning those who oppose their vision. And since it's always the case that people will at some point disagree, eventually Jagex would have banned all but the most blindly supportive. Ergo Jagex wants fewer players, or at least that's how their systems are set up.
Jagex got the fight they wanted. What did they expect from banning us, ignoring us then telling us we could rejoin if we behaved. You don't expect a social network to grow by telling people to shut up. Jagex is bright enough to know that, so they must want players to disappear.
I don't talk about positives or how to get out of this situation, because Jagex doesn't ask.
Jagex is getting what it wants. Not what I want.
FargyAug 9, 2013
My aim is to get rid of the Squeal of Fortune gambling. It uses the addictive qualities of Runescape to hook kids into gambling. A diminishing player group ties in with that aim, as less people are exposed to Squeal of Fortune.
Primarily though. Squeal of Fortune is underage gambling and its removal is my aim. SoF also has terminal effects like selling xp and gold, which kill any game, so in a way it will remove itself, eventually.
I've spent years in MMOs, my wife and I met in one, I love them dearly, but gambling no.
Jagex did ban us for what I said about Squeal, which made me angry, and angrier still for getting angry. So I do get acerbic, but I make up by posting updates to the Jagex directors. If I was hunting Runescape I wouldn't do that.
Mark Gerhard has emailed us, but only said he might change the mechanics of SoF later in this year. Mr 90%, I take with a liberal shaking of salt. I can understand Jagex being quiet about SoF, it's on the surface the safest tactic. Yesterdays email to them was about their loss of 1.2 million memberships in 9 months, the trouble with their autobot destroyer, and how Runescape forums work to limit discussion, fine tuning it to what Jagex wants to hear.
During these sorts of changes there has to be a stormtrooper role, an assault soldier that is always out of the trenches first. And who usually gets mown down by enemy fire. Luckily it's virtual fire and I can jump back up again and get back into the fight quicksmart. That may lead to the conclusion that I am against Runescape, because I'm like a zombie, hard to stop.
The SoF is an update that has its root cause in how Jagex talks, so that's on the war table too,
Usually companies ask customers what they want to spend money on. If Jagex ever starts this discussion it will start off with the predictable cosmetic items only, and go on from there.
Hmm. Everything is connected so my discussion tends to follow different threads in the weave. It also doesn't help that everybody lies. But on the upside it makes the game more challenging.
From reading your posts I feel that you do have Runescape at heart. In our different ways I think we all do.
JoHarringtonAug 6, 2013
FargyAug 5, 2013
In 2007 Andrew Gower changed one line of code. Players got angry. Jagex forums were built in good times and when players telestormed the forums, Jagex turtled.
Mutes and bans became commonplace.
Forum mods grew extremely rude.
Here is an example from Aja Wyndward...
"Just saying Wasup, Zeus and RWH, you do NOT run this subforum and you will NOT turn it into another HLF. If anyone from HLF tries to get away with the crap in regular forums you got to do in HLF, you will end up with ALL of your forum privileges revoked.
Believe me, the green team would love nothing better than to be able to crack down on some of you HLF trolls/spammers this way."
1st August Quick find code: 55-56-450-65081721
The only Fmods left now are the ones who enjoy policing. Who have no problem with Squeal of Fortune etc., because the policing is their game, not Runescape.
This caused players to leave the forums and form their own islands in the cyber sea. Places like Reddit. Where players could talk without constant nitpicking intervention. Botting forums are friendlier than the RS forums, and Jagex wonders why they have a trouble with bots.
There are other problems with the forums, that contribute, such as no freedom to post links except in High Level Forums, and division of players like the hidden Rants and HLF forums. And especially the hidden Jmods disguised as Fmods, which distorts communication.
I give a thumbs up whenever I see Tufftypower or the other Fmods crushing conversation. I know it drives players away and that ties in with my goal of killing Squeal, or at least having fewer players exposed to it.
The only real player vote on content saw 450,000 paying accounts vote for going back in time five years. To the 2007 servers.
With this mangled way of talking to players, Jagex won't do anything right. It won't work out how to treat the Josh case. I suspect it's too late to turn the ship around, too many angry players, such as myself, I don't like getting banned.
Ironically I'm angry because I love the world of the MMO. RS could have been so much more, and they turned it into a pokie parlour. Damaging as I am there is a calm inevitability to RS's demise. I'm only an accelerant. The real cause is how Jagex talks to players.
JoHarringtonAug 5, 2013
But how many more high profile court cases will there be, before there's a parental backlash? Saving a school from a shooter equates great publicity. But sending trolls to prison for a decade absolutely does not.
FargyAug 5, 2013
For example the RS forums and how Jagex have divided and punished the community.
Without much thought to options like rewarding forum users. That sort of obvious oversight means not much thought goes into it, which is a good thing. Means there are plenty of undiscovered options.
There will be more of these trolls who want people to go to jail, and they will be successful.
For League of Legends at least there seems to have been the $500k bail money involved, so I'd say this threat to the social fabric of MMOs will be getting keen oversight.
Hopefully.
JoHarringtonAug 5, 2013
Trolls are trolls, in Runescape or wherever they may be found on the internet. The issue is Josh's response, which was irresponsible in the context. But it does sound like something which the average 'shock value' teenager would just say.
It really is a weird one. There is always the chance that he was on the level, but my gut feeling says it was trolling.
I agree that it doesn't feel fair that Josh had the book thrown at him, while the troll appears to have walked away laughing. But what can we do? Start to legislate against that and it opens up a whole can of worms for internet use.
FargyAug 5, 2013
Search for the term Texas in the above link. This may still be the case or may not.
http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?278,279,294,64307937
Possibly an unintentional bug has allowed client use in Texas.
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The troll is responsible for people going to jail. I doubt this Josh case is the first person he's done it too. The "knock knock" gives it away. The original troll needs tracking down for sure.
Even if the account is banned the troll can redo it five minutes later with another character, this sort of sabotage to Runescape doesn't have any prequisites.
Interesting problem.
JoHarringtonAug 4, 2013
I didn't know that about Texan restrictions. What are they all about?
And yes, there were two people trolling in that conversation, from what I've heard. If indeed it was trolling. It does seem rather unfair that one got the book thrown at him, and the other carried on regardless. Reminds me of Grace Petrie's 'Tonne of Bricks' tune. http://music.gracepetrie.com/track/tonne-of-bricks
FargyAug 4, 2013
Texas would be the more severe, they have odd ideas there. For instance Texan players of RS have some restrictions on how they log in to RS. So they disguise their IP as not coming from Texas.
Jagex did the right thing. They don't know their players so have to assume the worst. And then US police would do the same, seeing him in the same light as another 19 year old, that Boston bomber.
But that still leaves the player who goaded Josh. As far as I know that player is still going around doing what he do.
Telling knock knock jokes.
JoHarringtonAug 4, 2013
To my mind, this is a really tough call. If Jagex had said nothing, and Josh had shot up his school, then we'd be tearing strips off Jagex now. I think they did the right thing passing it up, because they weren't in a position to do the necessary extra investigation. The Texas police were. Did they over-react? Or was there more to the story which isn't being reported?
Given the climate in America at the moment, the former is very possible.
I'd be interested to hear what Mr Robertson has to say.
FargyAug 4, 2013
FargyAug 4, 2013
I'd say that was League of Legends, getting themselves out of the news.
Jagex is trapped in the corporate game. If they ask their lawyers, their lawyers will automatically opt for the safe route. Which is say nothing and report everything and hand everything over to police when asked.
This response is an inevitability.
Probably the best they can do is bail the kid out. Mind you after that long in jail, suicide is a possibility. Still, outside jail is always safer than inside.
Hmm. Probably some more to be thought of. Issues like charging the person who goaded him and so on.
JoHarringtonAug 4, 2013
But, if you were Jagex at that moment, would you have taken the chance?
FargyAug 4, 2013
I only recently bumped into the other convict Josh Pillault article, and at least one other. I'm not quite sure what I think about it.
JoHarringtonAug 4, 2013
JoHarringtonAug 4, 2013
A night on the town, a storm in a teacup
(More like a teacup in a storm)
Where are the songs about boozers and buildings
banning the bomb and abusing the children
who'll one day be pop music stars
with their pop music guitars...
Sorry, I had a sudden outbreak of Carter USM then. :)
I had heard about Josh Pillault and I meant to follow the case, but got side-tracked into other things. Thank you very much for the reminder; and the heads up about the situation in Australia.
Love and pixie dust right back.
FargyAug 4, 2013
The Australian election has been called for the 7th Sept. which means this next month will be all about voting. Then maybe get back to business for a month then the holiday break.
I popped into Reddit as Fargrist to see what it's like. Left some of my thoughts there in three posts, it's freer than RS forums but not a cup of tea for me. Needs more storm.
SoF; I plan to break by talking. But some other issues reared their ugly heads along the way, which they always do in this interconnected networld.
Here is a relevant link...
http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/02/second-teen-spends-months-in-jail-for-video-game-threat/
I feel for the lad. And I can understand the safety mania that drives people to jail him. There is another case with a League of Legends player, and probably a few unreported cases.
I wonder if these are some of the terrorists that Five Eyes protects us from.
With much love and some pixie dust,
Fargrist.
JoHarringtonJul 4, 2013
FargyJul 4, 2013
You are right, Runescape is wrong to tell people that gambling for kids is good. Just because Squeal of Fortune is a sweet and juicy moneymaker, does not mean it is a good thing.
Gambling is an evil thing, a terrible thing. Theft by deception. And Jagex should stop it.
But they cannot, they are addicted to the money, so they will continue to kill kids for it.
Have no fear though, there are a few that will stop them. One way or another.
Thanks for your thoughts, I appreciate the time you spent away from Runescape.
Runescape player XJul 1, 2013
You have no moral authority to dictate how I should live my life unless you have lived it.
Hence unless you have spent over 18,000 house playing Runescape you can stop poking around in my business.
JoHarringtonJun 2, 2013
The educational side of it was something which I was waffling on about here: http://suite101.com/article/parenting-teenage-gamers-pitfalls-and-missed-opportunities-a386144 It was inspired by real incidents during the earliest Bonus XP Weekends. Genuine learning went on there, with both adults and children very willing to delve into things deemed too complicated and boring before.
I love what Jane McGonigal is saying. That was definitely worth checking out. Thank you.
FargyJun 2, 2013
But more than that MMOs provide a room for a bunch of people from around the world to commune. This has implications that cross national boundaries, that ignore religious pales, that don't care about your real world habitat. Like how much money you have, or where you live.
But not only that. MMOs can structure learning in an enjoyable environment. These two things are barely touched by MMOs but are two of its possible magics. All wrapped up in a story.
Jane McGonigal talks about learning and games here...
http://blog.ted.com/2010/03/17/gaming_can_make/
http://www.ted.com/talks/jane_mcgonigal_the_game_that_can_give_you_10_extra_years_of_life.html
Runescape has focused more on the possibilities related to trapping people in their house in front of a poker machine, unloved and uncared for.
A reckless waste of magic.
JoHarringtonJun 1, 2013
Not telling people how to live their lives is different to protecting the magic that was once in it all. I've had so many years of pleasure immersing myself into Runescape, then suddenly the money-men came crashing in and effectively tore down that fourth wall. I do know what you mean by that.
FargyJun 1, 2013
And Squeal of Fortune.
On the other hand I don't like telling people how to live their lives, I barely know what to do with mine. Tis complicated. Generally I nag the Jagex directors about once a week about what sort of legacy they want to leave with something as marvellous as Runescape. And done that for the last seven months. I've also contacted all the political parties in Aussie about SoF and similar schemes. It'll work but it's a lengthy process, and I would have much preferred Mark Gerhard to really talk to players.
The worst thing about it all has been that I had to remove my tinted glasses and carefully regard Runescape and that ruined the magic.
JoHarringtonJun 1, 2013
That's the trouble with any kind of addiction. You need to feed it whatever the cost. And I'm saying this as someone with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth.
FargyJun 1, 2013
I'm sick of pokies especially, but things like Squeal of Fortune and other gambling rorts are nothing but ruinful.
Let me quote some old duffer vis a vis gambling...
" If you have a large group of people who are addicted to gambling, you'll have more crime. People get into impossible situations when they get addicted to something like that. And some people will opt for crime, some will opt for bankruptcy, some may commit suicide."
Warren Buffett.
JoHarringtonJun 1, 2013
I can definitely see why the SoF debate is so pertinent in Australia right now.
FargyJun 1, 2013
Two journalists wrote possibly defamatory articles about Tom, Sam de Brito and Peter Fitzsimons. From memory supporting comments to the articles were over 90% in favor fo the journalist. Tom is suing Peter for defamation.
People are sick of gambling. But interests like the supermarket group Woolworths are hard for political parties to ignore, and Woolies owns some 12,000 poker machines via the pubs and clubs they own.
And into this steps Squeal of Fortune.
JoHarringtonMay 31, 2013
Thanks for the Raine Group lead. I'll certainly look into them!
FargyMay 30, 2013
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/i-am-sorry-i-have-listened-waterhouse-cuts-back-on-tv-advertising-20130531-2nfia.html
Raine Group, one of the Jagex owners, actually is associated with Double Down Interactive gambling.
For the conspiracy theorists Raine also has ties to Blizzard, for those wondering why Runescape seems to be intentionally self-destructive. Search John Salter, Raine group to get a little bio. Why doesn't WoW have SoF type gambling?
We've been off to enjoy an old stomping ground, Ultima Online, 15th year this year, which shows MMOs are very resilient, I think players are very loyal to the genre. It's where Fargrist and Vivathia first met; a miasmic, monster infested swamp. Very romantic. :)
But I'll always keep an eye on things scapian. Much love, keep it unreal Jo.
JoHarringtonMay 30, 2013
JoHarringtonMay 30, 2013
FargyMay 25, 2013
Mark Gerhard did talk about changing Squeal mechanics in an email to me, but he isn't a paragon of reliability.
BakstarMay 25, 2013
Do you really think so....???
JoHarringtonMay 23, 2013
FargyMay 23, 2013
JoHarringtonMay 23, 2013
How was it received in the house?
FargyMay 23, 2013
Contact Anna Gordon at his website for Nick’s speech and the explanatory memorandum. She should have some .pdfs laying around. Or I can attach and email them? Just need to advise which email you would like them sent to.
JoHarringtonMay 19, 2013
FargyMay 19, 2013
JoHarringtonMay 19, 2013
JoHarringtonMay 19, 2013
FargyMay 19, 2013
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/gaming-habits-are-learnt-early-20130518-2jtc6.html
One of the report's authors, Dr King mentioned this in an email to me,
""Our study asked participants to indicate the games they played that featured gambling. Runescape came up, as did games like Red Dead Redemption and GTA. Social media games like Slotomania and Zynga Poker were popular too."
SimonMay 19, 2013
JoHarringtonMay 7, 2013
FargyMay 6, 2013
That said it's not a game of numbers but a game of ideas, and I've a number of ideas how to play this flower game. :)
Adieu, mon ami. The game is afoot.
JoHarringtonMay 6, 2013
FargyMay 6, 2013
JoHarringtonMay 6, 2013
I'll admit that I didn't know about the Sesame Street link.
FargyMay 6, 2013
JoHarringtonMay 6, 2013
FargyMay 6, 2013
JoHarringtonMay 6, 2013
FargristMay 6, 2013
Equally I’m troubled that you consider SoF ‘gambling’ where in reality it is absolutely no different to the existing drop table mechanic behind killing any monster in RuneScape, I’m conscious a few players have called the creative implementation into question and I suppose it’s not a helpful comparison when other companies do indeed use a similar spinning wheel device for what is very clearly a real gambling service, the team have a project slated this year to look at changing the implementation.
JoHarringtonApr 8, 2013
You'd think that the hints are there from the player base. Last night, in Old School, there were five worlds completely full, and all of the others were well populated. Players did vote with their pixel feet.
But as long as some people are willing to pay, then micro-transactions will remain and everything moves a lot closer to your vision of the future.
TimApr 7, 2013
War of Legends already direct sells just about everything including legend exp. WOL is a gold mine for them as the amount they earn per a head is huge even though not many play it.
At one point there were even players on the forum asking for direct selling to combat botting & RWT although they may have just been desperate to get free trade & the wilderness back it did happen.
JoHarringtonApr 7, 2013
But what would we have instead of democracy? Tyranny? Monarchy? Feudal system? There's nothing tried so far that came any closer to a fair society than democracy. But that doesn't mean that we can't keep on improving that.
Even if the bill doesn't go through, the debate has been had. Debates allow all points of view to be aired, and that can only be a good thing.
JonApr 7, 2013
The LNP collation are even less likely to pass any gambling reforms as there infavour of big business making as much money as possible in any means possible. Greens probually would do it but there chances of getting in are virtually nill...
"You would give up democracy, political debate and due legal process"
Have you seen the clowns we have running this Country? Democracy when you have the choice of 2 main parties that are both awful? Political debate here boils down to them yelling at each other to make each other look bad without a clear though in there heads from either side.
JoHarringtonApr 7, 2013
How many parents really understand what goes on in Runescape? Yes, you can limit the cash there, but only if you can curtail the spending too. If there weren't kids stealing their parents' credit cards, then Jagex wouldn't have had to guard against it in their TOS.
It's an interesting debate.
JonApr 7, 2013
Personally I say that the parent is responsible for there own credit cards. If your kid gets there hands on your credit card it's your fault for not keeping it secure.
JoHarringtonMar 22, 2013
It's true that you can't lose in SoF, but there is still a value scale in what you can win. You could walk away with a cabbage, or you could walk away with 100s of 1000s xp or millions of gp. Are you playing for the cabbage or for the chance to win that high item reward?
You said it yourself later on. You would consider buying spins, if there was a limited edition special offer. You'd want to have more spins in the hope of securing that main prize. If hope ever replaces certainty, then it's gambling. When you have to pay for a chance that the hope may deliver, then it's monetized gambling.
If I wanted, say, a steel plate in game right now. I'd go and mine the iron and coal, forge it in a furnace, smith it on an anvil and put it on. That isn't gambling. It's playing the game.
If I spun the wheel each day, because a steel platebody was a potential prize, then I'd be gambling to achieve it. That's the difference.
You would give up democracy, political debate and due legal process for the sake of ensuring that SoF went on? With respect, I find that worrying.
Jagex do not make Runescape for the altruistic joy of it. It is a business, with investors backing it. The responsibility of the executive is primarily towards their stakeholders. Their success or failure boils down to the bottom line - how much profit was made this quarter? Happily their concerns often align with our happiness, because keeping the customer (the players) happy ensures the continual flow of money into their coffers.
But if it came down to making a quick buck/securing financial stability v peace on the forums, then the former would win every time. That's business.
J.Mar 22, 2013
This senator is apparently has no clue about the game and how it works, is an idiot, or perhaps even both. He needs to do some research, speak to Jagex, and try to see if reasoning/negotiations are possible.
Plus, it's the responsibility of the parents of the child to monitor their child's transactions, or do them for them. If the parents don't like it, they need to keep their child away from it. And what on earth does a child have their hands on their parents' credit card for anyways? If anyone should be in trouble, it should be the irresponsible parents.
Quite honestly, it's incredibly childish the way the RS community has acted over this. Really. It's Jagex's game, they're NOT breaking any laws. It's childish that people around the world are contacting their nation's governments for 'help'. It's pathetic. Why? Because they can simply quit, or not take part. Instead, however, they decide they want to take Jagex down with them, and try to make them look bad or get into legal trouble.
Sorry, but I am staying on Jagex's side. Actually, no, I'm not sorry, because I haven't done anything wrong. I'm on Jagex's side, and believe-it-or-not, I actually do enjoy the SoF. And no, it's not because I've bought loads of spins and won great stuff. I enjoy it, because I can log in daily and get 3 free spins (I'm a Gold Premier Club member, thus I get 3 free spins daily instead of the normal 2 for a normal member, or the 1 daily spin for free players), then I can do tasks in-game to get more spins. However, does this mean I won't purchase spins? No - I plan on it at some point, but I'm waiting until I have some money to spare, or rather, until there's something I really want badly on the SoF that's limited time only.
No, I'm no wannabe mod. I just respect Jagex, and I get so frustrated with the whining children in this community, and how pathetically immature they are. Jagex does EVERYTHING for their players, and what do they receive in return? Ungrateful little children who spit in their faces and whine because apparently it's never enough for them. Cases like this are why I literally despise democracy. (Yes, republics are democratic governments)
JoHarringtonFeb 16, 2013
WournosFeb 16, 2013
JoHarringtonFeb 15, 2013
JoHarringtonFeb 15, 2013
You'll get to do RuneSpan later. The two games will be separate and on separate servers, from what I can gather.
WournosFeb 15, 2013
Even if it is a win-win for them, every one of us can still say "we told you so!" when (if) it shows that more people want old RS instead of EoC/SoF.
Makes me seriously ponder rushing RC in RuneSpan before I let my account go RS2007 style. I'll make sure to read the fine print before jumping aboard, though.
JoHarringtonFeb 15, 2013
But on the other hand, we might get our old game back.
WournosFeb 15, 2013
NOTE: You have to be a MEMBER to vote. M-E-M-B-E-R. Paid subscription. How many have already left wanting this, or something similar?! Jagex doesn't seize to amaze me with their utter stupidity.
JoHarringtonFeb 13, 2013
Thanks for updating up on the current situation with Nick Xenophon and the campaign. As for Jagex, it's still a crying shame that you were banned just for speaking out against SoF. If history has taught us one thing, it's that trying to silence dissent generally results in the sound of dissent getting much louder.
You take care too. :)
FargyFeb 13, 2013
As soon as the legislation is submitted Nick Xenophon's office will get in touch and I'll then start pushing to make it happen.
The foundation of my evil scheme to break Squeal of Fortune remains talking. This time the audience will be Australian Senators and MPs. Usually I get things done by people becoming tired of my constant chatter. Hopefully everything goes to plan.
Vivathia and I are still banned, we had two appeals and there is a message down the bottom of the screen from Jagex that we will never have any more.
Which is a shame, but then again, what's the point of a Runescape with Squeal.
Runescape still interests me, Vivathia has moved on. The EoC events I find fascinating.
Take care out there.
JoHarringtonFeb 12, 2013
Far as I know, Andrew's still working on his game.
WournosFeb 12, 2013
I am so not going to debate this anymore than I already have because, frankly, the topic is suffocating me.
I wonder what Andrew Gower is up to. Still no announcement on Fen Research.
JoHarringtonFeb 10, 2013
Think of it like achieving a university degree. Would you rather someone did the work from enrolment to graduation? Or someone just turned up with a cheque and said 'give me a PhD'? The former takes time. The latter takes money.
The game is supposed to be balanced, so that one player wouldn't drawn a run of brilliant Slayer bosses. It's a mixture.
PhantasmagoriaFeb 9, 2013
Okay. So your friend got upset that someone else got to 99 Slayer easier than he did. What if that person had gotten lucky and obtained a slew of high slayer exp tasks while your friend got stuck with crappy ones. Would they have still been so upset over it? What if the other person was able to play twice as long as your friend did?
Is it really only about the money? Someone who doesn't have to work can play the game far longer each day than I can, but you don't hear me complaining about it.
JoHarringtonFeb 9, 2013
JoHarringtonFeb 9, 2013
When it first came out, my friend had only just achieved 99 Slayer. He bumped into someone who'd got the same from SoF lamps, so he quit. Suddenly his own achievement was utterly devalued and it wasn't worth being around anymore. I saw that situation repeated so many times that my clan was practically finished. It's still hanging on, but with a fraction of the members that it had before. Most just left.
If SoF was just about cosmetic items, then I doubt anyone would have a problem. Solomon's Store hasn't incited nearly the same level of uproar for just that reason. I'm with you on that one.
PhantasmagoriaFeb 8, 2013
You either have to be mad or stupid to think that the SoF is a good way to make money. Seriously. You'd have to be spending 200 dollars a day to even come close to getting a large amount of cash, and even then the chances are against you.
Real world status has always had an impact on your success in MMOs. Someone who can play for 2 hours a day vs someone who can play for 8 hours a day, for example.
As for exp lamps, honestly I wouldn't care if they were removed. I just want the costumes from it. I'd be happy with pendants. Also, your statement about getting 500k-1m exp easily with no effort is a bit untrue. Lets say you have level 80 in a skill. You'd get approx 4k per small lamp and 8k per medium lamp. If you use spins in large amounts sure, you'll get a few of those. But in order to get exp in the amounts you're saying, you'd need to get 125 small lamps, just for 500k exp. Of course, the number fluctuates and you get more exp the higher level you are, but still. You would still have to buy at least 50 dollars worth of spins for that and you're still not guaranteed to get all those lamps, plus you can get the set skill lamps and all that.
You are still going to need to spend massive amounts of cash in order to do it. Something that your average player simply does not have lying around. May as well just buy an account off eBay, it'd be a fraction of the price.
I'm not saying that it shouldn't be altered, but I am saying that the arbitrary numbers people throw out when they haven't used it at all are getting old. It's not like you win 200m and a maxed account on every single spin.
JoHarringtonFeb 7, 2013
Federal Senator Xenophon has said that when it's introduced, it will need to pass both Houses. That will be the moment when Runescape players really need to contact their political representative to have their say. Nothing will happen overnight in either case.
AndrewFeb 7, 2013
JoHarringtonFeb 7, 2013
To me there's a huge moral difference between the illegal sites and Jagex's endorsement. The former might bring in huge wealth for less money, but there's still the stigma of it not being right. Players would turn against that sort of thing and Jagex would ban the account, if it was found out. Therefore the price comes not in pennies, but in reputation and potential loss of all you worked for. When Jagex do it, then the downside disappears. It's viewed as somehow morally ok now.
I'm in full agreement that parents should take responsibility for parenting. But not that 'everyone else is doing it, why not me'. As my mother has told me all my life, 'Yes, and if 'insert name' jumped in the cut, would you do it too?'
WournosFeb 7, 2013
There's a difference between MT's and gambling - or "gambling" as Jagex states. I am all for MT's as long as they give NO BENEFIT to your gaming performance (this is an exeption: http://wizzley.com/review-of-salem-beta-dec-2012-jan-2013/). But as soon as you get some sort of advantage from paying extra (which SoF does, in a roundabout way) the game is doomed, in my opinion.
SoF does that and more. A bundle of small and medium lamps potentially giving a player 500k to 1 mil exp in a relatively short time span is one hell of a benefit. Those who do that don't even play the actual game.
Urgh, I feel my anger coming on again. What were they thinking?! ...besides money.
PhantasmagoriaFeb 7, 2013
Anyways. Spins aren't actually that bad. It's not like they're on Maple Story levels of power selling, what with them directly selling money bags through the cash shop. In fact, buying spins to get ahead is actually dreadfully inefficient. Spending 50 bucks on spins might get you 500k or so unless they're specifically running a double gold promotion at the time.
That'd cost you all of 15 cents from one of the illegal gold trading websites (note that i'm not advocating buying gold at all but it is far more bang for your buck)
The issues is children and lack of supervision. Lazy parents who hook up their credit card to their kids account and then make a fuss when their kid is lured in by the shiny advertising and wastes 200 bucks on spins.
Jagex more than has the right to use microtransactions in their game. 99% of other mmo's already do it.
JoHarringtonFeb 6, 2013
I'd certainly like to see the end of SoF, though I would also like to envisage precisely the cost of that too.
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Thanks Fargrist!
JoHarringtonFeb 6, 2013
I can't divulge my sources, unless said source gives me the go ahead to do so. I'll check.
JoHarringtonFeb 6, 2013
Obviously this is pure speculation, but it could set off a whole domino effect.
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JoHarringtonFeb 6, 2013
I don't quite know how to respond to that, other than with my jaw gaping somewhat. Thanks for finding it out.
PaulFeb 6, 2013
Taken from http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/17d2lv/massive_2800_player_battle_in_eve_online_took/c84hbfo
Essentially, there are two "Mega" coalitions in the game right now, the Clusterf**k Coalition (CFC) and the Honeybadger Coalition (HBC). A coalition is a group of alliances that band together. There are also 3-4 other smaller coalitions (Russian Bloc, N3), as well as some independent notable alliances (Black Legion in this case).
These are all Nullsec powers. The HBC's core alliance is TEST; an alliance that is based from and recruits out of your favorite website, Reddit. The CFC's core alliance is Goonswarm, which is based in and recruits out of your least favorite website, SomethingAwful!
Now, it would appear that these two alliances were born to be rivals, but it was not always this way. When the reddit corporation (alliances are composed over individual corporations) first joined EVE, they were attacked by the SA corporation, goonswarm; who were already very established in the EVE universe. Instead of becoming enemies, the Goons were taken aback by the adorableness of our attitude towards the game, and we became allies and soon to be best friends. They nurtured us, tought us, fought for us. Our current leader, Montolio, decided that he wanted to take a path of independence.
We met another group of players in an alliance called Pandemic Legion. They are considered the big bad guys of EVE. They posses hundreds of the Super Carriers and Titans; the most powerful ships in the game and which the pictures in the OP are mostly comprised of. Basically, these guys have a public mumble channel called OG mumble. Mumble is a program like teamspeak, if you didn't know. This was when Battlefield: Bad Company 2 was popular, and some of our guys joined their channel to play with them. They befriended them, and more people joined to play and more and more. Soon, their EVE alliance had invited us to go on campaign with them; and it was hella fun. They were a bunch of old players, and our raw enthusiasm of the game seemed to make it more fun for them, and their wealth, power and experience taught us a lot.
PaulFeb 6, 2013
What's important to last night is that we chose to go with PL instead of goons, and we formed our own coalition; the HBC. Between PL's ability to drop many of the most powerful ships in the game, and our ability to rush in with hundreds of support ships to back them up, it's a potent force.
Last night, a relatively small pirate alliance that controls a good bit of territory nearby Goon-land thought that the goons may try to attack them over a local moon; which holds mineral resources. They informed a fleet commander in Pandemic Legion that this may be happening, and PL set up to ambush goons.
The goonswarm Fleet commander (FC), Dabigredboat, is a prettty interesting character, who is loved or hated throughout the game, but that's another story. Anyways, he is flying a titan. These are the most powerful ships in the game, they do a lot of damage, can take a LOT of damage, and are ridiculously expensive. Additionally, they can move across the universe rapidly with a jump drive; but they can also move OTHER SHIPS across the universe rapidly by "bridging" them.
Sidebar: EVE has an interesting feature where people can buy game time cards (30/60 day) and sell them in game for in game money; allowing wealthy people to essentially play the game for free, and allowing people who are wealthy out of game to have the money to do what they want. This provides a rare insight to the actual value of in game item. And a titan, like dabigredboat's, would cost something like $3500 dollars to buy with out of game money.
PaulFeb 6, 2013
If you'll remember, PL was aware that something might be going down, and when the pirates inform them that a titan has jumped in, and not only a titan but Dabigredboat's titan, they jump in 3-4 supercarriers. Supercarriers do more damage than a titan, but don't take quite as much and aren't quite as expensive. Boat orders Goon and CFC supers to log in, and they drop a few more supers in to help boat. PL goes into hyperdrive and goes all in; they drop every supercarrier they have available, and are frantically calling everyone they know to get there as well.
And then Boat makes a crucial mistake. He should have realized that his titan and the few supers he called in to support him were going to die, and cut his losses. But instead he panics, and calls in EVERYTHING the CFC has to help get him out of there. At this point, the battle transcends hell and goes into every god damn layer of Dante's Inferno. The CFC commits every supercarrier, titan, dreadnought (basically floating gun platforms that do a ton of damage) and regular carrier (which are basically "healers") that they can. PL does the same, and the rest of the HBC is in right behind them. My fleet, and the rest of the TEST fleet burned across the universe at best speed to get into the fight, and all of our capitals (dreads/carriers) and supercapitals jumped in ahead of us.
Also, goons are not well liked in the universe of EVE. They have fought against (and won against) pretty much every major player in the game. So the rest of the smaller coalitions also jump into the fray. And even though we're technically "unfriendly", they join ourside and the whole universe of EVE piles onto the CFC. My poor laptop crashed when there were 2800 people in the solar system (And there were hundreds more in surrounding systems), but it was epic.
The CFC lost a lot of stuff. ~44 Dreads, 29 Carriers, 5 Supercarriers and 3 Titans. The HBC and the rest of EVE lost 10 Carriers, 6 Dreads, and one Supercarrier. It's a mind boggling amount of damage done, and money lost. But that's EVE.
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WournosFeb 6, 2013
I'm afraid to get my hopes up. A part of me still wants to see Jagex crash and burn for what they did to the game. But at the same time it would be nice to get back to Andro Noir to get those last (15?) 99s.
JoHarringtonFeb 6, 2013
Paul - All of the Nexon ones for a start. Eve Online will have to take note. Maple Story... on and on...
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JoHarringtonFeb 6, 2013
And LOL on the first. This is looking like a real RS forum now. :D
WournosFeb 6, 2013
Oh my goodness! This is great! If it goes then all we need are Non-EOC servers and we can all return to normal.